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  1. #51

    Ngano bitaw nag-comment2. Ako pa lang sa santo papa mohilom na lang siya sa issues regarding the society. Mas maayo pa unahon sa na niya limpyohan ang iyang tugkaran before siya manghilabot sa lain butang.

  2. #52
    so which is which?

    the one saying the truth

  3. #53
    hahahaha...galibog na sila...

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by gcc4426 View Post
    hahahaha...galibog na sila...
    ato sila libogon ug samot bro ... ...

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by minuteman View Post
    Dunay gisulti ang paring si Gabriele Amorth mahitungod niining naghitak nga *** abuse scandals sa Roman Catholic Church:


    From The Times
    March 11, 2010
    Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
    Richard Owen in Rome

    *** abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist.

    Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".

    He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

    He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".

    A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself after being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have challenged this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual background to the tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who was never identfied.

    Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of the Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed woman threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass, pulling him to the ground.

    Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that Father Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that Satan had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.

    "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."

    Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he makes fun of me."

    He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can come out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals."

    He said that hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident exorcist. Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but in practice they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.

    Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in 1986. In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction between black and white magic".

    He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.

    In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism rite, complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a blunt sword" about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted. The Vatican said later that he and other exorcists could continue to use the old ritual.

    Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican -Times Online

    yeah nangita nag palusot.. ang yawa nay gipasanginlan.. ingna nalang jud nga tao ra cla yawaon pud clag batasan..

  6. #56
    Mao nay mga problema nato d ta maghuna2x sa atong mabasahan, mobasa lang ta gamay hambat dayun! Hahaha dapat mo basa pd ta ginagmay oi. D lang ta palabi gud pla rmn na ka segondos or minuto ang pagbasa ba. Merry christmas to every1

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by RMK711 View Post
    You need to take it in the context also of what the Pope was trying to shield the Church from, the widespread allegations that many priests were engaging in inappropriate *** with minors. Hence, it is perfectly understandable that people would think the Pope was rationalizing paedophilia by his peers when he says that "society is increasingly tolerant of paedophilia" which can easily but construed as ergo... its understandable that some of our priests have been touching children inappropriately.

    And you totally missed the point of the angry victims here. The pope is wholly out of line in saying that society in increasingly tolerant of paedophilia.. which society is that and which people? That's an absolute load of crap, no country in the world is tolerant of paedophiles. Society is disgusted by paedophilia and most people find it completely revolting. The Church on the other hand, which coddled paedophile priests and silenced their child victims could more accurately be said to have tolerated it. Maybe the Pope is merely projecting his view of the Church onto society, or maybe he's trying to blame society for influencing the priests to do evil, or maybe he is just deluded? I'm having a hard time grasping what point the Pope is really trying to make here by making such a ridiculous statement about society.

    What is really happening is that societies (in the west especially) are becoming increasingly intolerant of the backwardness of many religions.
    + 1

    pedophilia is never considered normal in our modern society...
    maybe sa society of priests..

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Saga View Post
    + 1

    pedophilia is never considered normal in our modern society...
    maybe sa society of priests..
    Mao siguro na ang gipasabot sa Pope. Lets just accept ang mga child porn or pedophilia. Para iyang mga pari kay maka-lusot.

  9. #59
    the prophecy had been fulfilled.....we'll soon be doomed.

  10. #60
    "Man is sinful and we fail by falling into the flesh so often, so we cannot point fingers against individuals who sin unless we remove the log from our own eye first."

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