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  1. #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    if nadayon ni. this will be the only truth commission in the world (40+) that doesnt investigate human right abuses another shame na pud

    kung di ipaagi sa Ombudsman or DoJ. maypa ipatrabaho ni sa inutil na PCGG total mama man pud ni penoy ang nag mandate ani
    Actually ang buhaton sa truth commission is recommendation lang. Ipasa gihapon ni ngadto sa ombudsman. another obstacle there with Merciditas.

    For me, the truth commission must be an independent body, that will always investigate after every administration. not just arroyo but every administration thereafter.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by bearish View Post
    Actually ang buhaton sa truth commission is recommendation lang. Ipasa gihapon ni ngadto sa ombudsman. another obstacle there with Merciditas.

    For me, the truth commission must be an independent body, that will always investigate after every administration. not just arroyo but every administration thereafter.
    well as i quote .. its an exercise of futility, duplicating the quasi-judicial power of the Ombudsman.

    and only congress can create public offices, plus 2010 na ron dili panahon ni marcos unsa tan-aw ni penoy sa iya diktador lol pwede pa 24 years ago to create an office but not now were the system of check and balance is firm.

    plus SC ruling for this matter.

    and as retired Archbishop Oscar Cruz pointed out the third truth shown in the brief life of the Truth Commission: “They’re very incompetent.”

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    well as i quote .. its an exercise of futility, duplicating the quasi-judicial power of the Ombudsman.

    and only congress can create public offices, plus 2010 na ron dili panahon ni marcos unsa tan-aw ni penoy sa iya diktador lol pwede pa 24 years ago to create an office but not now were the system of check and balance is firm.

    plus SC ruling for this matter.

    and as retired Archbishop Oscar Cruz pointed out the third truth shown in the brief life of the Truth Commission: “They’re very incompetent.”
    well said, but what is our recourse (constitutionally) when we lost our trust with the ombudsman?

  4. #64
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    When GMA then was after Joseph Estrada, they called it constitutional. GMA was behind it, sorrounded with very good lawyers to do legal roller coaster. Now, when it was GMAs turn to be investigated, its unconstitutional. Why? because PNoy dont have lawyers with the same caliber as GMAs. pildi siya sa technicality.

    PNoy should reconsider his cabinets. I think he should ditch Ochoa. GMA is good at legal games. And she will continue to hide thru his lawyers and behind our worst set of Supreme Court Justices.

    What I can't understand is for people to just acquit Gloria just because they hate PNoy. Lousy. Just plain lousy. Worst than how they picture PNoy to be. Atleast, PNoy has in his heart the truest intention, although maybe not backed by good judgment all the time, but haters remains haters. Not even sure if they made any accomplishment at all, aside from putting down a person or people.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by bearish View Post
    well said, but what is our recourse (constitutionally) when we lost our trust with the ombudsman?
    why not the DoJ then? why so few filling cases against her concerning those TC concerns (ZTE etc)

    why not sa PCGG, mandate man pud nila to investigate corruption.

    why create another body? another waste of our tax money.. considering pud way kaayo budget ang ato judiciary ron, dili priority ni penoy mas maayo daw ihatag kay Dinky

    para lang sa publicity stunt ni penoy, i bet they plan to televise ang TC live 24/7

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by harphaul View Post
    I think De Lima should admit that EO1 is indeed a failure. Still, no technical argument is presented on the side of the administration.
    They can have the congress make its job to create the commission. I think it's not a headache on their part 'coz they have the majority.

    Here's more:
    Maceda wants Ochoa's head to roll Yahoo Philippines
    MANILA, Philippines – A former senator on Tuesday called for the resignation of those who drafted Executive Order 1 that created the Truth Commission after it was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

    They include Executive Secretary Paquito "Jojo" Ochoa Jr. and presidential legal counsel Ed de Mesa.

    In his 50 years of experience in government, beginning with the regime of former President Ferdinand Marcos, former Sen. Ernesto Maceda said he cannot believe the mistakes made by the officials surrounding President Benigno Aquino III.

    "Kasalanan naman iyan ng mga nag-draft [ng executive order]," he said. "Aba eh, parang... strike 3 na sila. Mahiya naman sila."

    Maceda cited Memorandum Circular No. 1, which declared vacant the positions of non-career officials and Executive Order No. 2, which deals with the so-called midnight appointees of then-President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, as among the errors made by Ochoa and de Mesa.

    He also included in the list the presidential proclamation on amnesty for rebels, which failed to specify that it needs the approval of Congress, before it can be implemented.

    Maceda, who was an executive secretary himself, also wonders why the members of the Truth Commission are in a hurry to get their budget and begin work even if they knew that there was a question about the legality of the commission.

    "They should now... hide themselves in shame because as former Supreme Court justices, more than anybody else, they should have been on notice," he said.

    President Benigno Aquino III appointed former Chief Justice Hilario Davide to head the Truth Commission while former SC justices Flerida Ruth P. Romero and Romeo J. Callejo, Sr. are members.

    University of the Philippines College of Public Administration Prof. Edna Co agreed with Maceda.

    "Papel ng executive secretaries sa Malacañang, iyong patakbuhin kung ano iyong dapat gumulong na patakaran at siya dapat ang... tinatawag natin, siya iyong tumitingin sa likod ng Pangulo," she said.

    Co expressed disappointment on the SC's decision that declared the Truth Commission unconstitutional.

    She said it could have brought to light big corruption cases under the Arroyo administration.

    Both of them also agree with Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, who earlier said that Aquino had surrounded himself with inexperienced officials.

    Sen. Joker Arroyo, a former executive secretary during the Corazon Aquino adminsitration, is now worried that rejection of the Truth Commission could serve as another flashpoint between the Palace and Supreme Court, to the detriment of the country. – Report from Henry Omaga-Diaz, ABS-CBN News; ANC

    Tuara!!! NAbutangan noun ning mga tawu ni noynoy... "An Inexperienced president surrounded by Inexperienced Officials.... bwahahaha....
    Si Gloria sige na to ug ngisi abot sa dunggan....

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by em_b View Post
    When GMA then was after Joseph Estrada, they called it constitutional. GMA was behind it, sorrounded with very good lawyers to do legal roller coaster. Now, when it was GMAs turn to be investigated, its unconstitutional. Why? because PNoy dont have lawyers with the same caliber as GMAs. pildi siya sa technicality.

    PNoy should reconsider his cabinets. I think he should ditch Ochoa. GMA is good at legal games. And she will continue to hide thru his lawyers and behind our worst set of Supreme Court Justices.

    What I can't understand is for people to just acquit Gloria just because they hate PNoy. Lousy. Just plain lousy. Worst than how they picture PNoy to be. Atleast, PNoy has in his heart the truest intention, although maybe not backed by good judgment all the time, but haters remains haters. Not even sure if they made any accomplishment at all, aside from putting down a person or people.
    obvious man kaau adto kay Erap naa man to money trails backed by witnesses. nag setup ba sila ug TC..

    karon case ni GMA, nganong witness ra man siya kutob? ongoing man ang case like ZTE sa Ombudsman. surely witness ra gihapon ni si GMA sa fertilizer scam , naa ba gyud evidences connecting her sa iyang mga corrupt appointees? yet the rule of law applies to her, you cant just break the rule to get to her.

  8. #68
    ngano ang SC man inyo pakasadon sa mga palpak ni PINOY...

    dili lang kay si gma ang corrupt pati pud na si pinoy corrupt..ang naka problema lang kay si gma naay nahimo.. si pinoy hangtud karon cge lang gihapon ka palpak...

  9. #69
    maypa move on na lang ta. focus more on economic matters basin mo asenso pa ta gamay. kung tinood man nagbuhat silag anomaliya, karma/gaba na lang atoa. That's the best punishment for them.

  10. #70
    og mo pasaka nalang na sila og kaso diritso??d nlang mg truth commission

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