Buying/Selling Dogs with Spay/Neuter Contract

[mypetstation]

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has anyone encountered this here in the Philippines? i just encountered a breeder who will only sell her pups if you agree to a spay/neuter contract, and mind you, the pups are not cheap. what do you guys think of this

[Ironwood_Cebu]

there are a lot of them with that kind of conditions bro
i have a couple of friends gani now that are selling their dogs (1 is a pug & another one are bostons)
nga pet quality ra (one ball ra, but sayang kay gwapo kaayo mga quality) but they will only sell
provided i-neuter na daan ang mga dogs... to prevent them from being bred still by the future owners.

[mypetstation]

there are a lot of them with that kind of conditions bro
i have a couple of friends gani now that are selling their dogs (1 is a pug & another one are bostons)
nga pet quality ra (one ball ra, but sayang kay gwapo kaayo mga quality) but they will only sell
provided i-neuter na daan ang mga dogs... to prevent them from being bred still by the future owners.

in that situation sir, i understand nga ineuter ang dog because you don't want to be breeding dogs nga naay defect (i.e. one ball ra) but in this particular case, the dog is perfectly healthy and the only reason i can think of that the breeder will only sell with a spay/neuter contract is that they do not want others to be breeding their line...kinda selfish in a way...don't you think? at least thats my opinion...

[lamangzz]

Sa US i think ingon ana ila methods didto.

like if you are not a license breeder you can never buy a puppy na dili ipa neuter/spay daan sa seller.

mura sya selfish but i think they are just trying to protect the line and just love the breed so much na dili sila mo sugot na mo maot ang breed because of irresponsible breeding.

[mypetstation]

Sa US i think ingon ana ila methods didto.

like if you are not a license breeder you can never buy a puppy na dili ipa neuter/spay daan sa seller.

mura sya selfish but i think they are just trying to protect the line and just love the breed so much na dili sila mo sugot na mo maot ang breed because of irresponsible breeding.

yes i know sa US common ni, in fact the akc has what is called a 'limited akc registration' meaning the pups of the dog can no longer be registered.

aku lang concern aning spay/neuter contract dinhi ba kay ma luoy jud ku sa dog/pup. in fact, if ilang reason ba kay dili sila gusto maka breed ta sa ilang line, i would much rather get the dog without the papers and not spay/neuter them. in effect, kung maka breed man ku, di man sad naku ma register....so same ra, but di man sad sila sugut ana. gusto jud sila ipa spay/neuter....

and on the side sad sa breeder, if simbaku lang ma igo ilang kennel ug sakit, say parvo for example nya mamatay iyang dogs.....since ang pups na iya gi sell kay gi pang spay/neuter na, wa na jud, end na jud sa iyang line. as a breeder, malipay bya ku kung ni daghan ang kaliwat sa akung line...but i guess thats just me.

[Ironwood_Cebu]

the most valid reason i could think of in that situation is that you are getting the pup/dog in relatively cheaper price. because if the dog has no deformities at all, and the breeder insist on spaying/neutering it, that means to say he does not want you to breed his dogs further... he does not even want you to show it also. so in effect, in that situation, you buying the dog under a "pet only" situation.

it may be selfish, but one have to realize that these breeders attained their status at a fortune and lots of patience and hardwork. they did not get it overnight. so its but natural for them to "protect" their status.

[Ironwood_Cebu]

aku lang concern aning spay/neuter contract dinhi ba kay ma luoy jud ku sa dog/pup. in fact, if ilang reason ba kay dili sila gusto maka breed ta sa ilang line, i would much rather get the dog without the papers and not spay/neuter them. in effect, kung maka breed man ku, di man sad naku ma register....so same ra, but di man sad sila sugut ana. gusto jud sila ipa spay/neuter....

if ako ang breeder, i still will not sell you my dog even walay papers. kay you can still breed him/her. daghang magic sa mga papeles mao di jud mukumpyansa ang known breeders.

and on the side sad sa breeder, if simbaku lang ma igo ilang kennel ug sakit, say parvo for example nya mamatay iyang dogs.....since ang pups na iya gi sell kay gi pang spay/neuter na, wa na jud, end na jud sa iyang line. as a breeder, malipay bya ku kung ni daghan ang kaliwat sa akung line...but i guess thats just me.

thats threading on hypothetical. plain and simple, if you intend to breed, go get from a breeder that would allow you to breed his dogs. if the breeder wouldnt, then wala tay mahimo ana... we cant call him selfish coz as i said we just dont know HOW MUCH he spent - time and money - in propagating his kennel... mao ato na lang sabton.

[mypetstation]

the most valid reason i could think of in that situation is that you are getting the pup/dog in relatively cheaper price. because if the dog has no deformities at all, and the breeder insist on spaying/neutering it, that means to say he does not want you to breed his dogs further... he does not even want you to show it also. so in effect, in that situation, you buying the dog under a "pet only" situation.

it may be selfish, but one have to realize that these breeders attained their status at a fortune and lots of patience and hardwork. they did not get it overnight. so its but natural for them to "protect" their status.

sir the pup is sold at 30k and this is a toy dog. if it is for 'pet only' then as i mentioned in my earlier post, i would much rather take the pup without the papers rather than spay/neuter the pup. does that not achieve the same purpose? so that in the event that i do breed the pup, i would not be able to register the pup since i don't have papers anyway....

i do understand that is indeed a huge investment of time and money on the part of the breeder. but i was hoping that there are other ways for them to control their line breeding than demanding to spay/neuter pups.

[Ironwood_Cebu]

sir the pup is sold at 30k and this is a toy dog. if it is for 'pet only' then as i mentioned in my earlier post, i would much rather take the pup without the papers rather than spay/neuter the pup. does that not achieve the same purpose? so that in the event that i do breed the pup, i would not be able to register the pup since i don't have papers anyway....

i do understand that is indeed a huge investment of time and money on the part of the breeder. but i was hoping that there are other ways for them to control their line breeding than demanding to spay/neuter pups.

hehe if its 30k and from a known breeder, then its cheap.
to give you a comparison, the one ive mentioned earlier
the pug that has only 1 ball and has neuter arrangement
the breeder is selling it at 40k
the 2 bostons by another friend is selling it at 30k each.
30k is not really that much bro; their stocks are at the vicinity of 100-150k, and theyre toy breeds.
im buying now an imported (in-dam) pug from a local breeder
under a co-own agreement for 70k.

[mypetstation]

hehe if its 30k and from a known breeder, then its cheap.
to give you a comparison, the one ive mentioned earlier
the pug that has only 1 ball and has neuter arrangement
the breeder is selling it at 40k
the 2 bostons by another friend is selling it at 30k each.
30k is not really that much bro; their stocks are at the vicinity of 100-150k, and theyre toy breeds.
im buying now an imported (in-dam) pug from a local breeder
under a co-own agreement for 70k.

uhm...ok. to be specific. this is a toy poodle. as far as i know, poodles at 30k are on the high side (philippine bred of course), imported ones are a different story. this dog is not even of champ line (no red or green marks). not that i am not willing to spend 30k on a dog, just not a dog of this quality with a spay/neuter contract.