Legalize Abortion?

[peewee_toot]

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^^im for that also. pra aware ang tanan...

[AmorsoloX]

Abortion could be portrayed as a refuge to some women where their health is at stake but hey the quality of life sa family? Are you saying abortion is the solution to excess number of children in the family?? I must say you are out of line there.

You're practical approach is so lame, practical tuod cya but consider the price of it. Death of an innocent child.You cant justify abortion in that sense. Swerte ka wala ka gipa abort.. lisod na imong gi sulti. Again your reason why abortion is acceptable is just so lame, sorry to be frank with you.

quality of life sa family.. (examples)
1.) for excess no. of supportable children.. im sure your fully aware that the more the children the more money is needed to support them. consider the wage of a minimum wage worker. would it be enough to feed five or more children? how bout 8 children? are you proposing that the siblings of parents help in?.. dont their siblings have children of their own? is it not unfair for the immediate relatives of the parents to support children not of their own at the cost of their efforts?

2.) consider the cirmcumstance of a rape victim, kinsa man mo buhi sa anak? di kagustuhan sa babae... family sa babae? considering they come from a poor family.. mapugos undang skwela iya igsoon para lang mka pakaon sa bata? sacrifices by other family members are required para buhion ang bata. is it not unfair?

3.) dili man sab trabaho sa goberno ang magpakaon aning mga bata-a.. and as taxpayers, why the hell would we agree nga ang amo gihaguan igasto ra para isupurta sa pagka walay disiplina sa uban tawo.. contraceptive is a lot cheaper than raising a child.. i presume you are old enough to do your math

the ends justifies the means.. the welfare of the many justifies the cost of a few.. there is no such thing as a win-win situation.. everything has its cost.. abortion maybe a necessary evil..

what im saying maybe amoral and cold hearted but im in-touch with the harsh reality.. your arguments however are childish and idealistic..

[anjerika]

lisod kay ning kung kanus-a pa na pass ang bill or not, magbinasulay na nuon ang tanan sa consequences. pahibaw-on una ang mga taw labi na tong naa sa remote areas and not only those nga naa sa metropolitan areas. discuss the pros and cons para mahibaw sila kung asa sila mu side.

[Dorothea]

Personally, I couldn't care less unsay reasons sa usa ka tawo why he is against something. To each his own lang gud. Ang dili lang ko agree, kanang mag twist sa facts to support his "convictions". Ug kanang mo ingon nga kontra sila to this or that kay kesyo contraceptives are abortifacients kuno. Kahibaw ta nga sayop na. Dili na mao. So, I take issue with that. Argue all you want, but stick to the facts. So anyone who reads this, use your education and common sense. Ayaw paminaw lang basta kay nag ingon si Pedro nga abortifacient man diay nang contraceptives, tuo nalang ko. Use your own judgment. Make those brain cells work. Go find a dictionary, then pangitaa ang words nga prevention, contraception, abortion, abortifacients or any other words related ani nga topic. Balik balika ug basa ang definitions, i-analyze gyud ug maayo, internalize gyud ug maayo.

And for those health care professionals who believe that contraceptives are abortifacients, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Or your teachers should be ashamed of themselves, kay wala nila natarong ug explain ilang lesson plan sa inyoha.

[anjerika]

ARTICLE II
DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES AND STATE POLICIES
1987 CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES - CHAN ROBLES VIRTUAL LAW LIBRARY


Section 12. The State recognizes the sanctity of family life and shall protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution. It shall equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The natural and primary right and duty of parents in the rearing of the youth for civic efficiency and the development of moral character shall receive the support of the Government.


legalizing abortion would change the constitution. lol

[yhokz101]

quality of life sa family.. (examples)
1.) for excess no. of supportable children.. im sure your fully aware that the more the children the more money is needed to support them. consider the wage of a minimum wage worker. would it be enough to feed five or more children? how bout 8 children? are you proposing that the siblings of parents help in?.. dont their siblings have children of their own? is it not unfair for the immediate relatives of the parents to support children not of their own at the cost of their efforts?

- There's what we call sense of responsibility and discipline... we should tackle that and gov't should educate the people to become responsible parents instead of resorting to abortion. Harsh reality for me is that people are not responsible enough and we are lacking of self discipline.. ever heard of "bahala na" mindset? Go figure...

2.) consider the cirmcumstance of a rape victim, kinsa man mo buhi sa anak? di kagustuhan sa babae... family sa babae? considering they come from a poor family.. mapugos undang skwela iya igsoon para lang mka pakaon sa bata? sacrifices by other family members are required para buhion ang bata. is it not unfair?

- Let's pause for a while, now here's this scenario again. Your concern is kinsa ang mo buhi sa bata? And in order to eradicate the problem means to abort the child? I also understand the situation of the rape victim but did it occur to you that by abortion there will be 2 victims? Believe me, if that family will fall short on supporting the child or even don't want that child there would be someone who would help that child or at least NGO/dswd. Are you saying unfair sa family members? Then what about that child? Dili ba unfair para niya imo cya gipa abort? Remember naa nay right ang bata bya even wala pa cya gi anak basta na buo na cya.. but on a case where you have to choose between the child and mother's life that's a different story.

3.) dili man sab trabaho sa goberno ang magpakaon aning mga bata-a.. and as taxpayers, why the hell would we agree nga ang amo gihaguan igasto ra para isupurta sa pagka walay disiplina sa uban tawo.. contraceptive is a lot cheaper than raising a child.. i presume you are old enough to do your math

the ends justifies the means.. the welfare of the many justifies the cost of a few.. there is no such thing as a win-win situation.. everything has its cost.. abortion maybe a necessary evil..

what im saying maybe amoral and cold hearted but im in-touch with the harsh reality.. your arguments however are childish and idealistic..

- Actually it's part of gov't responsibility to tend on the welfare of it's people. And you can complain all you want but as a filipino you are obliged to pay the tax maski itabang pa na nila ni bisan kinsa diri sa pilipinas. Same ra nang imong complain sa uban tawo na against sa RH Bill, na they don't want their tax to be used on contraceptives. Dili ba conflicting imong idea na mo complain ka about sa imong tax na gamiton sa gov't sa mga tao na way disciplina, and to think part na ang RH bill ana? You support RH bill right? Bottomline is if gov't na gani mo implement wala na jud mahimo ta ana, pwede ra pod ka mag rally sa colon if you want to complain.

Nope I hate math that's why I took up accountancy, but I do believe RH bill is there mainly because of inevitable problems that we are facing right now. I'm not being childish and idealistic, I'm just downright sure I disagree with you on your reasoning about abortion. You're "being" in touch with the "harsh-reality" is somewhat twisted and inhumane. And by the way "The ends don't justify the means", I'm referring to abortion. Evil begets evil brad... mind your thoughts.

the welfare of the many justifies the cost of a few

you're just lucky you're not part of the few coz if you are... that's a different story on your side.

[disomniac]

dapat ani tan awn ang situation sa mgpa.abOrt (financial,moral, etc) ---- hear and view 2 sides of the coin sa..

[Gharid]

"And for those health care professionals who believe that contraceptives are abortifacients, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Or your teachers should be ashamed of themselves, kay wala nila natarong ug explain ilang lesson plan sa inyoha."

magkatawa man ko ani na post.
plan b is marketed as a contraceptive but the reality is it is also an abortifacient.

do some research inday before you state your so called facts. check the link or basaha ni para makasabot ka kay murag ikaw ang wala tarunga ug explain sa imong CI.


How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill

How Does Plan B® Work?
Plan B® (levonorgestrel) may prevent pregnancy by temporarily stopping the release of an egg from a woman's ovary, or it may prevent fertilization. "It may also prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. "
Source: http://www.go2planb.com/ForConsumers...owItWorks.aspx

Proponents of "emergency contraception," as well as the Preven and Plan B websites, contend that emergency contraception does not cause abortion. They argue that emergency contraception prevents pregnancy and thereby reduces the need for induced abortion. However, they intentionally define the term "pregnancy" as implantation of a fertilized egg in the lining of a woman's uterus, as opposed to "pregnancy" beginning at fertilization.

Whether one understands pregnancy as beginning at "implantation" or "fertilization," the heart of the matter is when human life begins. It is important to keep in mind that scientists have confirmed that at the moment the sperm and the egg join (fertilization), a new human being is created who is completely different from his/her mother.

This is not a subjective opinion, but an objective scientific fact. Accordingly, any artificial action that works to destroy a fertilized egg (human embryo) is abortifacient in nature.

[peewee_toot]

dapat ani tan awn ang situation sa mgpa.abOrt (financial,moral, etc) ---- hear and view 2 sides of the coin sa..

pwede ra sd. para sure jd...

[Dorothea]

Gharid: aw, idemanda nalang ni nato ang tanang medical journals and dictionaries, kay sayop diay ilang definition sa "abortifacient". Ipa-usab sad nang definition sa abortion, kay matod pa sa usa ka popular dictionary, abortion kuno is "termination of pregnancy". Even if the egg and the sperm have "joined", unless this "being" has safely stayed in the uterus, dili pa ma define ang babae nga "pregnant". How can you do an abortion on someone who was never even pregnant, if indeed, abortion is the "termination of pregnancy"? So if abortion is the termination of pregnancy and an abortifacient is a substance that induces abortion, then it goes without saying, that an abortifacient is a substance that induces the termination of a pregnancy, right? But according to Gharid, Merriam-Webster is wrong, so motuo nalang ko aning Gharid.

Also, bahin pud anang imong start of human life, fertilization, implantation etcetera etcetera. A fertilized egg NEEDS a VIABLE medium/environment for it to have a chance to be BORN into a HUMAN BEING. If you put a fertilized egg in a petri dish and let it stay there for nine months, will you have a HUMAN BEING as a result? If you let a fertilized egg stay in the fallopian tubes (in the case of an ectopic pregnancy), will a HUMAN BABY come out of that fallopian tube after nine months? Ectopic pregnancies are never brought to term because the fallopian tube is not a VIABLE medium/environment. The fertilized egg NEEDS the environment of the uterus to have a chance to develop into a human being. If we go by your statement that the fertilized egg is the start of human life, then we should be able to implant it anywhere in our body, our lungs, our kidneys, our liver, our large intestines, our esophagus etc etc or we can even put it in a petri dish, as I've said previously, and after nine months, we should expect to welcome a HUMAN BEING into the world, right? For human life to happen, all COMPONENTS involved in creating it MUST be present. A fertilized egg without the protection of the uterus is just that, a fertilized egg. So far, I have yet to hear about a HUMAN baby born from a petri dish or a lung or a kidney or a liver. Again, I will say what I believe, that HUMAN LIFE cannot happen through a fertilized egg ALONE. Gharid, I am honestly trying to explain this to you as best as I can. But I'm nobody. Ug matod pa nimo, mga banggiitang scientists man kaha nag declare nga human life na ang fertilized egg, motuo nalang ko nila ug motuo nalang ko nimo. Merry Christmas!