Wikipedia on RH Bill: after reading it, what is your stand?

[MtClimber]

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Over populated ba jud ang Pinas? Sa ako lang opinyon dili man cguro. Sa akong nakita mga selected areas raman ang overpopulated like mga cities and kanang padulong pud mahimong city. Pero if mogawas ka ana nga mga areas, imong makita ga dili jud ingon-ana ka overupulated atong nasud. Awst basin sayop sab akong pagsabot sa overpopulation

Kung e reduce man jud ang population, kay daghan naman jud kayha kaayo ta, adto ra japon ta balik sa attitude sa tawo oi. Ni exists naman ang option unsaon nga dili ta madaghan, sauna pa kaayong panahon pero nganong tuyoan man jud...

[RMK711]

Over populated ba jud ang Pinas? Sa ako lang opinyon dili man cguro. Sa akong nakita mga selected areas raman ang overpopulated like mga cities and kanang padulong pud mahimong city. Pero if mogawas ka ana nga mga areas, imong makita ga dili jud ingon-ana ka overupulated atong nasud. Awst basin sayop sab akong pagsabot sa overpopulation

Kung e reduce man jud ang population, kay daghan naman jud kayha kaayo ta, adto ra japon ta balik sa attitude sa tawo oi. Ni exists naman ang option unsaon nga dili ta madaghan, sauna pa kaayong panahon pero nganong tuyoan man jud...

Overpopulated dili na pasabot nga overcrowded. Nalibog siguro ka. Ang Hong Kong crowded, pero dili overpopulated kay dato man sila kaayo. Kung modoble ilang tao, dili gihapon sila gutomon. Population is not density, it's capacity... As long as 1/4 families here don't eat 3x a day, there is an incapacity to meet everyone's needs hence overpopulation... There are countries in Africa with fewer than a million people but still considered overpopulated because they are starving...

[Utakanlang]

Please consider what is written here at Wikipedia. Reproductive Health Bill (Philippines) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I put in bold what needs to be reflected on:

Opposing the bill, Former Finance Secretary Roberto de Ocampo wrote that it is "truly disingenuous for anyone to proceed on the premise that the poor are to blame for the nation’s poverty." He emphasized that the government should apply the principle of first things first and focus on the root causes of the poverty (poor governance, corruption, severely unequal distribution of wealth, low productivity, unattractive investment policies, etc.) and apply many other alternatives to solve the problem (giving up pork barrel, raising tax collection efficiency, curtailing dynastic politics, etc.).[30]
Economist Roberto de Vera refers to Nobel prize winner Simon Kuznets's study which concludes that “no clear association appears to exist in the present sample of countries, or is likely to exist in other developed countries, between rates of growth of population and of product per capita." Julian Simon compared parallel countries such as North and South Korea, East and West Germany whose birthrates were practically the same but whose economic growth was entirely different due to different governance factors. De Vera says that "similar conclusions have been arrived at by the US National Research Council in 1986 and in the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) Consultative Meeting of Economists in 1992" and the studies of Hanushek and Wommann (2007), Doppelhoffer, Miller, Sala-I-Martin (2004), Ahlburg (1996), etc.[11][12] The other Nobel Prize winner who expressed the same view is Gary Becker.[38][39]
De Vera also states that from 1961-2000, as Philippine population increased almost three times, poverty decreased from 59% to 34%.[40]

[Utakanlang]

Please consider what is written here at Wikipedia. Reproductive Health Bill (Philippines) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I put in bold what needs to be reflected on:

Opposing the bill, Former Finance Secretary Roberto de Ocampo wrote that it is "truly disingenuous for anyone to proceed on the premise that the poor are to blame for the nation’s poverty." He emphasized that the government should apply the principle of first things first and focus on the root causes of the poverty (poor governance, corruption, severely unequal distribution of wealth, low productivity, unattractive investment policies, etc.) and apply many other alternatives to solve the problem (giving up pork barrel, raising tax collection efficiency, curtailing dynastic politics, etc.).[30]
Economist Roberto de Vera refers to Nobel prize winner Simon Kuznets's study which concludes that “no clear association appears to exist in the present sample of countries, or is likely to exist in other developed countries, between rates of growth of population and of product per capita." Julian Simon compared parallel countries such as North and South Korea, East and West Germany whose birthrates were practically the same but whose economic growth was entirely different due to different governance factors. De Vera says that "similar conclusions have been arrived at by the US National Research Council in 1986 and in the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) Consultative Meeting of Economists in 1992" and the studies of Hanushek and Wommann (2007), Doppelhoffer, Miller, Sala-I-Martin (2004), Ahlburg (1996), etc.[11][12] The other Nobel Prize winner who expressed the same view is Gary Becker.[38][39]
De Vera also states that from 1961-2000, as Philippine population increased almost three times, poverty decreased from 59% to 34%.[40]

[RMK711]

Please consider what is written here at Wikipedia. Reproductive Health Bill (Philippines) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I put in bold what needs to be reflected on:

Opposing the bill, Former Finance Secretary Roberto de Ocampo wrote that it is "truly disingenuous for anyone to proceed on the premise that the poor are to blame for the nation’s poverty." He emphasized that the government should apply the principle of first things first and focus on the root causes of the poverty (poor governance, corruption, severely unequal distribution of wealth, low productivity, unattractive investment policies, etc.) and apply many other alternatives to solve the problem (giving up pork barrel, raising tax collection efficiency, curtailing dynastic politics, etc.).[30]
Economist Roberto de Vera refers to Nobel prize winner Simon Kuznets's study which concludes that “no clear association appears to exist in the present sample of countries, or is likely to exist in other developed countries, between rates of growth of population and of product per capita." Julian Simon compared parallel countries such as North and South Korea, East and West Germany whose birthrates were practically the same but whose economic growth was entirely different due to different governance factors. De Vera says that "similar conclusions have been arrived at by the US National Research Council in 1986 and in the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) Consultative Meeting of Economists in 1992" and the studies of Hanushek and Wommann (2007), Doppelhoffer, Miller, Sala-I-Martin (2004), Ahlburg (1996), etc.[11][12] The other Nobel Prize winner who expressed the same view is Gary Becker.[38][39]
De Vera also states that from 1961-2000, as Philippine population increased almost three times, poverty decreased from 59% to 34%.[40]

There are many causes of poverty and uncontrolled population growth is one of them. They all need to be addressed, not cherry picked just because some people want to force their morality down everyone's throats. The comparison between North Korea and South Korea is laughable because if North Korea had a higher birth rate, then it would have had an even worse famine and mass starvation.

There is no reason at all whatsoever why corruption, overpopulation and bad governance can't all be tackled in a multi-pronged strategy. Don't believe the Church that it is corruption or nothing. It is everything. Not having a sane population control program is itself a manifestation of bad governance. It is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to suggest otherwise.

I won't even bother tackling unequal distribution of wealth, because I firmly believe that this is not the responsibility of government, but of individuals. The main reason why there's unequal distribution of wealth is because some people aren't trying hard enough.

[AmorsoloX]

regarding bad governance.. i say it is true..

because:

1.) we dont have an effective population device in place.. there is uncontrolled growth..

2.) philippines is not a good place to investment because labor is too expensive.. there is too much protection to the workers... (tanawa ninu china, asenso lage)

3.) there is no political will, mahadlok ang naa sa goberno mo kontra sa gusto sa mga orgs nga daghan supporters like the catholic church and the INC...

4.) there is no effective body governing the strategic use of available resources...

[AmorsoloX]

What the bill does is FORCE people to provide services, and assist people to do acts, that are deemed objectionable by many. Those conscientious objectors who refuse to comply are unfairly jailed and fined. Some "freedom of choice" that turns out to be!

whats wrong with that?

thats good!

kung doctor ka, dapat wa ka pilion nga patiente.. it is your profession.. kung gusto sa imu patiente pa-abort.. why not? atleast you are allowing them to do it safely.. ganahan ba ka makadungog nga namatay diay to cya after, kay nag-pa-abort cya sa manghihilot lang?

it becomes your guilt.. namatay cya kay wa nimu gi tabangan nga pwede man diay tana ka...

we need population control... im pro-life.. PRO-QUALITY-OF-LIFE....

[Saga]

Have you read the "previous" thread regarding this topic?
It was discussed already..

If not.. just do your research regarding.."zygote" and "morning after Pills"

Ask me after....



(and by the way...Its easy to rehabilitate an person on grief than telling dead babies their lives are worthless..! Dead babies tell no tales..but its will haunt you on your nightmares..!)

it's easy to say that when you are not the victim....

of course a zygote can not tell tales yet because it does not a have a consciousness...

if doctors or nurses are required to provide this service it's because it's their job to provide medical services whatever their moral standing is...

like for example a certain religion is against blood transfusion because it's against their belief but still the doctor has to offer this option.. now lets change the position... what if the doctor is the one to belong to this certain religion? does it mean he will not suggest blood transfusion even if the patient needs it? he has to... so, it's not coercion but only to remind them what their duties and responsibility are as a public servant.

[peewee_toot]

dba ma edit ra ang wiki?

[RMK711]

whats wrong with that?

thats good!

kung doctor ka, dapat wa ka pilion nga patiente.. it is your profession.. kung gusto sa imu patiente pa-abort.. why not? atleast you are allowing them to do it safely.. ganahan ba ka makadungog nga namatay diay to cya after, kay nag-pa-abort cya sa manghihilot lang?

it becomes your guilt.. namatay cya kay wa nimu gi tabangan nga pwede man diay tana ka...

we need population control... im pro-life.. PRO-QUALITY-OF-LIFE....

He's making more drama than needed. We're forced to do a lot of things by the government, like pay taxes, drive of the right side of the road, subject ourselves to security check at the airport. I think this guy needs to realize that we aren't free to do whatever we want. He tries to dramatize the argument by using the word FORCE because it has such a negative connotation that is not necessarily deserved, and he is deliberately using the natural reaction to the word to conjure up images of North Korean forced labor camps when discussing the RH bill. In other words, he is engaging in childish intellectual dishonesty.