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    Quote Originally Posted by mimigs View Post
    A good read

    BBC News - Ten things the Philippines bus siege police got wrong

    A security analyst who has worked in counter-terrorism with the British Army and Scotland Yard, Charles Shoebridge, says the officers involved in Manila's bus siege showed great courage - but they were not properly trained or equipped for the task.

    Here are 10 areas where, in his view, they could have done better.

    1. Determination
    Philippine police end Manila bus hijack
    The first officers who tried to storm the bus were driven out by gunshots from the hostage taker, former policeman Rolando Mendoza. "They showed great courage to go on board. It's very crowded, just one aisle down the middle of the bus. But once you get on board it's not unexpected you are going to be fired at. Squads like this have to be made up of very special people, specially trained and selected for their characteristics of courage, determination and aggression. In this case they acted as 99% of the population would have, which was to turn round and get out. They didn't seem to have the necessary determination and aggression to follow the attack through."
    Mao ning SWAT sa manila! Naay SAF na well-trained wala gigamit!

    2. Lack of equipment
    The police spent a long time smashing the windows of the bus, whereas explosive charges (known as frame charges) would have knocked in windows and doors instantly. "They had no ladders to get through the windows. They smashed the windows but didn't know what to do next," Mr Shoebridge says. "They almost looked like a group of vandals." Their firearms were also inappropriate - some had pistols, some had assault rifles. Ideally they would have carried a short submachine gun, suitable for use in confined spaces.
    Pangubat ang style. saon! SAF was waiting in the sidelines lang.

    3. Lost opportunity to disarm the gunman

    Mendoza's gun was not always raised
    There were numerous opportunities to restrain the gunman, Mr Shoebridge believes. "The negotiators were so close to him, and he had his weapon hanging down by his side. He could have been disabled without having to kill him."
    Ahhh... Kaila man gud. Mao promise-promise pa. Hahay!

    4. Lost opportunity to shoot the gunman
    The video of the drama also shows there were occasions when the gunman was standing alone, during the course of the day, and could have been shot by a sharpshooter. "You are dealing with an unpredictable and irrational individual. The rule should be that if in the course of negotiations an opportunity arises to end the situation decisively, it should be taken," Mr Shoebridge says. Either this possibility did not occur to the officers in charge, he adds, or they considered it and decided to carry on talking.
    They were aiming for a bloodless solution! Mao nay nahitabo ron!

    5. Satisfying the gunman's demands
    "I wondered why the authorities just didn't give in to all of his demands," says Charles Shoebridge. "A promise extracted under force is not a promise that you are required to honour. Nobody wants to give in to the demands of terrorists, but in a situation like this, which did not involve a terrorist group, or release of prisoners, they could have just accepted his demands. He could be reinstated in the police - and then be immediately put in prison for life for hostage taking." The Philippines authorities did in fact give in to the gunman's demands, but too little, too late. One message promised to review his case, while he wanted it formally dismissed. A second message reinstating him as a police offer only arrived after the shooting had started.
    Bitaw! Ihatag ang demands! He was just asking for his retirement benefits to be reinstated. I don't think he was asking to be reinstated into the police force.

    6. Televised proceedings
    The gunman was able to follow events on television, revealing to him everything that was going on around him. This was a "crucial defect in the police handling", Mr Shoebridge says. He adds that police should always consider putting a barrier or screen around the area, to shield the scene from the cameras and keep the hostage taker in the dark.
    No media blackout because the government MIGHT BE ACCUSED of CENSORSHIP!!!

    7. No element of surprise
    It was clear to the gunman what the police were doing at all times, not only because the whole incident was televised, but also because they moved "laboriously slowly", Mr Shoebridge says. The police did not distract him, so were unable to exploit the "crucial element of surprise".
    How can Mendoza be surprised when the media were broadcasting all the movements of the SWAT?

    8. Safeguarding the public

    This boy, a bystander, was hit by a stray bullet
    At least one bystander was shot, possibly because the public was allowed too close. The bullet from an M16 rifle, as carried by the gunman, can travel for about a mile, so preventing any risk of injury would have been difficult, Mr Shoebridge says, but a lot more could have been done. "When you saw the camera view from above, it was clear there was little command and control of the public on the ground," he says.
    Usisero in effect! Pareho ra pud ni sa EDSA revolution. Everybody wants to see the action LIVE!!!

    9. Using the gunman's brother to negotiate
    Relatives and close friends can be a double-edged sword, Mr Shoebridge says. While they may have leverage over the hostage taker, what they are saying cannot be easily controlled. In this case, the gunman's brother was included in the negotiations - however, at a certain stage he became agitated and police started to remove him from the scene. The gunman saw this on television, and became agitated himself. According to one report he fired a warning shot.
    The brother started it all! Siya man nagdala ug gubot!

    10. Insufficient training
    In some parts of the Philippines, such as Mindanao, hostage taking is not an uncommon occurrence, so the country has some forces that are well trained in the necessary tactics. The detachment involved in Monday's incident clearly was not, says Mr Shoebridge. After smashing the windows, one of the officers eventually put some CS gas inside, though "to what effect was not clear" he says. A unit involved in this work, needs to be "trained again and again, repeatedly practising precisely this kind of scenario," he says.
    He forgot to mention the sledgehammer being thrown INSIDE the bus after the second hit! BWAHAHAHA!!!

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  3. #1653
    Stupid filipinos!!!!!

  4. #1654
    Kabaro man gud nila. mao komyansa ra kaayo sila masulbad nila. kung terrorist pato sure SAF jud to magamit. ug buntag pa tingali patay ang gunman sa sniper.
    Last edited by necrotic freak; 08-25-2010 at 09:24 AM.

  5. #1655
    The policeman is not guilty because he was never in jail!
    -he still has mission order
    -he still has his high-powered firearm

    THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT FILIPINOS ARE STUPID.

  6. #1656
    Kita ko sa News ganiha sa ABS-CBN..
    Nag training ang swat "murag cebu to" for BUS hostage. Grabe kaayo kay sakto na tanan, the attack, the news, the public. Tanan sayop gibuhat sa manila kay wala na...hehehe..

  7. #1657
    pati istorya naa nay mga chinese hate post

    sigh.. thats what we get when we had an incompetent leader.

  8. #1658
    I want to kill at least 1 filipino everyday.

  9. #1659
    basta training perfect mana..pero ug actual na kamoritsing ang agi sa swat oi..daghan au kuwang..

  10. #1660
    Looya sad ning mga pulisa oi.. ilang senior nag wild...

    Sila pa dyud ang gipang paon...

    Sila ray nag unay pinatyanay....

    Sila pa dyud gi husgahan....

    ang pinaka looy mga civilian nga nangamatay ra tungod ani nila...

    Mostly chinese...

    My condolences to my brothers.

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