MERGED: Quirino Grandstand Hostage Crisis

[pacifico]

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sos PAETA aning atong mga kapolisan oi.... negotiation raman unta dyod 2 kong dili mada na-a sila last option kng grabe na demand, nag tan-aw ko gabi-e, sak2 dyod ko sniper ra makapatay.... pakauwaw man lang oi nagtapok pa mora dyod mga soso oi! ang maayo ani atong mga polis sa ato noh kay raid radyod og shabu ma-o na ilang favorite. sos kong gubaton ta sa mga chinese ihi-an radyod ta nila ma anod nata dritso tongod sa ilang kadaghan...

Kana pud ang PNP e abolish unta na nila ang napolcom, katong gusto mag pulis criminology dyod ang koha-on dili kay HRM ka, Computer science ka og unsa panang 4yrs course diha kong makapsar sa napolcom pwedi na mag pulis, mao na ang uban dili kayo sincere sa ilang g bohat, ang ilang g tan-aw ana makasweldo raman sila ig abot sa time na critical hadlok dyod.. lahi raman dyod nang imo dyod kabobot-on na mag pulis ka.... mao pud ning uba nato na bata-on dili ganahan mag pulis tongod sa ilang ehemplo g pakita.

Ingon lang ka ana bay kay wala man ka didto. Bisan unsaon og train sa mga pulis/swat naa gihapon nang kahadlok. Check lng sa status nila ato dilikado kaayo. Besides pulis ilang kontra. Mayta snatcher lng to or gikan lng sa kilid2x.M16 gud gidala ato. Wala ta kabaw pag sulod nila girakrakan sila. Samot ka daghan ang deds.Naa man dyud toy sayop pero ato tanawon sad ila sitwasyon.Kung mamatay ka unsaon man na nimo ang medal mao na ipakaon sa imong mga anak.

Nakaexperience man dyud ko nga naay nagpinosilay lain dyud kaayo imong pamati. Mora dili naka kalakaw tungod sa kahadlok.Taw biya sad ng mga pulis. May parihas na sa mga salida nga naay take 2.hehe

[Sarevok]

blaming to the president?!? tsk tsk... unsa bay gusto ninyo buhaton niya? mag-ampo nga naa na unta maka-imbento og time machine pra mapugngan daan ang panghitabo? maghinilaka sa atubangan sa media to show his empathy, unya sa iyang paghilak mokalit lang mabuhi ang mga namatay? during the election fever, i'm not for noynoy but he's our president now., let's give him courage to face this tragic event and pray that he'll remain strong and come up with sound resolutions.

Nope. We didn't say na sa paghilak niya mabuhi ang nangamatay. Ang aftermath sa hostage taking ang among gihunahuna. We are not saying this because we hate noynoy (at least for me), bisag kinsa na president siguro naa karon then ingon ani ang mahitabo kay same ra man gihapon amo reaction. Hunahunaa ang relationship sa Pinas ug Hongkong. Nawala ang respeto sa leader sa Hongkong sa atoa, iya gicontact si PNoy pero wa gitubag... Crazy daw ta ingon niya

[Sarevok]

i agree... ana jud na bro, most sentiments here happen to be products of diappointments because noynoy won the election and not their candidate. it is clear.

what happen yesterday is a by product of incompetency accumulated over years of corrupt and messed-up government. the hostage taker was disgruntled of a case that happen in the previous administrations time. if ang hostages were local, would we react this way? i believe not. i didnt vote for noynoy but why blame him for what happened? we may not hear him talking about the incident but im sure he must have given directives to look into the matter.

did presidents of some other countries did the negotiations when things like this happens? no. but they have given directives, made proper channeling... if noynoy opened his mouth yesterday, it wont do anything, maybe agrreviate the sitaution more. mr mendoza was angry and that ombudsman, in return he was given somepapers and the assurance that the ombudsman will review the case personnally but does it made mr mendoza calm? no.

at this point of time, the only thing that matters in mr mendoza's mind was his family. but sad thing, the police drag them out of their house and made them accomplices instead especially his brother, not a good move! i wonder what does the person incharge tought when he gave orders to arrest his family?

bottomline: not because we happened to experience crisis, should we blame the president. there are other people and department who are best to handle the situation, and we should look up to them.

just my 2 cents. no arguement needed

bro niagi na ang election. ngano balikbalikon pa man na. see my previous post

and regarding the bold part, kinsa ang Commander in Chief bro?

[DarkCode]

Nope. We didn't say na sa paghilak niya mabuhi ang nangamatay. Ang aftermath sa hostage taking ang among gihunahuna. We are not saying this because we hate noynoy (at least for me), bisag kinsa na president siguro naa karon then ingon ani ang mahitabo kay same ra man gihapon amo reaction. Hunahunaa ang relationship sa Pinas ug Hongkong. Nawala ang respeto sa leader sa Hongkong sa atoa, iya gicontact si PNoy pero wa gitubag... Crazy daw ta ingon niya

kinsa ingon crazy ta? cguro sakto siya ABNOY mn gud ni daog... asa pmn mo liwat...

my question is... Why kaha wala gtubag ni Noynoy? la pa ka andam sa speech? or wat i think dle to e baliwala ang tawag sa HK pres since ila constituent ang naapil...

[jd_cellphone]

COMMANDER IN CHIEF? asa manka ato intawn? then ang CHIEF of STAFF asa? sos pakauwaw lang jud...dili unta ko manaway kay pinoy rata...pero kalagot jud ethink sa nahitabo....pareha rani sa ....."bai pusilon tika ha, bang! ay sorry bai, patay nanoon ka."...tsk tsk...

[ground_crashed]

mga da moves sa kapulisan na maka ulbo ug kaspa:

1. dili mag gas mask, para mas cool tan-awn, nya labay dayun tear gas. shet.
2. mag andam ug pisi na nakit-an ras bodega. mas karaan na pisi, mas chuy.
3. tago jud tag maayo ani mga doh, daghan raba kau tag kontra.
4. pwede man diay malabay ang martilyo sah? so why not do it. tuara, gilabay. aw nalabay. maayo pud.
5. manabla ta! magpa ulan tag bala!

utro pud mga civilian, bisan delikado kau hala ka diha otsosero kaau. naa pay pulis mga buguk bisan crowd control nalang unta to ilang maayong mabuhat, wala jud intawn. buguk.

nya tungod pud kai naay tv didtu sulod sa bus, aw pagkita jud dayun mendoza gidakup iyang relative, na depressed ug samut! way to go!

[Htennek]

luoy ang namatyan. naay usa ka pamilya ato. Leung family. mura ang inahan ra survivor, 2 anak patay ug ang iya husband.

murag naa pod manag-uyab. or minyo na jud guro to. :X

[st@ph@n]

Wla katubag si NOYnoy sa tga HK kai naghagwa pa sya ni baby James ug ni Josh. Iya tudluan unsaon apply make-up.

[cebulifer]

ang epic fail ni PNoy for me is not talking to Tsang of HK. Pagsugod unta sa crisis.... siya na unta nakigistorya ba. Assuring Tsang that PNoy will do whatever it takes for a peaceful settlement. morag gisnob man hinuon!

mao black travel advisory ang pilipinas sa hongkong ron!

[Pi2plank]

*** Nagpadala ug additional police force
Isn't it the judgement of the local police officer who is assigned to assess the situation? Does the chief negotiator has to tell the president to bring in more police force? Again, that is the judgement of the officer assigned to deal with the situation. You are not putting puppets in the fields, you are putting officers who graduated in PMA/PNPA...

*** Impose Media Blackout
Again, its the local officer assigned in the area to assess the situation. You mean to say, those officers would still ask PNOY what to do with the media? Isn't it an SOP to cordon the area in crisis like that? Bottom line is, our police officers doesn't know their jobs well... They are just sitting in their couches and waiting for their pay slips to be served!

*** International Crisis...
You don't talk to foreign diplomats on the situation unless you are very certain with the outcome. I think every country exercise that policy esp. matters that would affect foreign relations. You need to be certain on how the situation is going before releasing official statements.


Chain of command is not the issue here... it's our police force's incompetence!!!

Rules of Engagement should have been fully exercised! You ordered your men to sweep the situation, and yet it took them over an hour to breach the bus! That is pure incompetence!!!

1)as the commander-in-chief, the least noynoy could have done was call the highest ranking officer of the PNP & asked him if he has control of the situation.. kung dili available, well kung kinsa man unta ang available na high ranking official diha, sa ingon pa nimo, kana untang PMA or PNPA grad.. unya maoy mo handle sa situation, ang best people available, karon matawag bato na "best" team to do the job dapat wla siya mag depend kung kinsa rai tua did2 na mga tawo, dapat as president, nag pada unta siya og reliable na tawo available kay C-I-C man siya..

2)do you think kung mag impose og media blackout ang ground commander did2, mo tuo kaha ang media pero kung ni pa gawas pa 2 dayun og statement ang malacanang na media blackout, dali unta dayon maka abot sa media kung unsa dapat ang himuon nila to help w/ the situation.. ka2 diay pagka kidnap ni ces drilon, pag media blackout, tuman man lagi tanan.. pero diha lang sad ni patuo ang media kay kauban man nila ang namilegro.. mas sayon unta kung ang president mismo ang nag declare dayon og media blackout..

3)of course nobody was sure of the outcome, but at least para mahibaw sa tanan that the president was aware of what was happening, ni-release unta siya og statement like 'i have sent high officials of the PNP to assess the situation & we are doing everything blah blah blah' ,pra at least man lang makit-an nga naay gi himo pra ma resolve kining international incident..

kung ang police force ang incompetent, the least the president could have done was send the best team available to handle the situation, naa did2 ang camp crame, aguinaldo.. naa man untay mga maau diha na pma or pnpa grad sa forces na2, cyaro sad ,pero kanang gi buhat nasad niya is the 'pontius pilate move' ,hugas dayon sa kamot.. kung na successful 2, aw hatag cya award, pero kung nayagaw, fotbol kung kinsay angay fotbolon (murag pagasa)

i dont know why you keep defending a president who has no balls to fight for you.. i only have a few friends & i can count them w/ my fingers, but at anytime i'd gladly give up my life for them, cause i know they would do the same for me, its a band of brothers, as simple as that... but the president doesnt earn my respect, he is indecisive & inept in situations like this.. you keep defending him but when the time comes when he has to defend you, do you think he'd do anything to save your life?? you may just be another statistical number to him & a sorry speech in the making..

during the iraq invasion when a marine girl (19yr old i think) had their convoy ambushed, the injured girl was captured & taken to an iraqi hospital, people in the US government pulled strings, CIA NSA, & days after the girl was rescued by navy seals.. when somali pirates captured a ship & the captain made a deal w/ the pirates to spare the crew & take him, navy seals came to the rescue & did a wonderful job.. the philippines is well behind compared to the US military BUT as commander-in-chief, you should know that the best people to handle critical situations is at your own disposal, as a leader, mao unta ni gi himo ni noynoy, call all high ranking officers, ask what his options are, then choose an option he finds best & be ready for the consequences.. dili siya sikat sa military & police BUT at least he should have earned their respect.. mas mo respeto pa unta ang mga people in uniform kung mao 2 iya gi himo.. wala man gani nahadlok dawat og responsibility ang president sa russia during the moviehouse hostage taking, naay nangamatay na hostage unya patay tanan hostage taker.. as a leader you will be faced w/ scary & hairy situations, the outcome maybe bad BUT what matters is that you took action, made the best option & took responsibility, i never felt noynoy lift a finger for what happened..