Central Visayas minimum wage now P285 per day

[james_chaw]

---

I cannot speak for companies who don't properly compensate their employees. Kami nganhe sa (toot) are being treated well. management has the common sense and foresight to NOT crap all over their employees.

It is only common sense that an unhappy worker is an unproductive worker. and what happens if productivity falls behind? the failure to achieve overall goals/targets of the company which can heavily affect revenue. and so on. it is like a snow ball. No manager wants to deal with a huge snowball of a problem, especially if it hits them without warning.

[Tirong-say]

1.) it is not blackmail for companies to close down when the cost of labor rises up. It's simple economics. If their is no more money to pay for the increase, shall we let the company bleed till it will finally declare bankruptcy? declaring bankruptcy means a company is shield from its financial obligations(utang and what have you). Good luck relinquished employees getting a severance package then!

2.) If you only know how much PAL is bleeding every year, you would understand the side of management. the owner is not rich because of PAL. he is rich because of the DOZENS of other money making businesses that he has. if HE were to live his life on PAL earnings alone? dugaya na na niya gi.baligya or sirado kay pwerting lugi gyud.

But does 285p could compensate the needs, let us say having two kids and renting his accomodation?

1.) But Isn't it a threat, like it's either you will lose your job or we will only give you a very low salary. Then what kind of a threat is that?

2.) He is one of the richest man in the philippines isn't it, then why he was not able to give a better compensation. I agree with you, that an unhappy worker is an unproductive worker that would eventually contribute to the downturn of a company, then where is it now in the case of PAL?.

It is only common sense that an unhappy worker is an unproductive worker. and what happens if productivity falls behind? the failure to achieve overall goals/targets of the company which can heavily affect revenue. and so on. it is like a snow ball. No manager wants to deal with a huge snowball of a problem, especially if it hits them without warning

[GuyOfYourDreams]

and what is the purpose of the employee? isn't it to earn income? or earn a living? whether we like it or not, the "company" is also an entity. it must also earn income in order to survive.

yeah i agree with it but it will not just earn income for its survival alone.
The primary thing that a company is being founded is for the owner to have his own personal income, as in money for his living (business).

[GuyOfYourDreams]

I beg to differ. What a company will earn can possibly translate to increased capacity or propensity to afford better compensation packages or perquisites for ALL employees; to make the overall operation of the company run MUCH MORE smoothly.
wastage also means a lost expense. meaning wla na use effectively or mura lang gi labay.

can POSSIBLY... yeah i agree BUT before the company thinks of it, it first thinks what it can earn for itself alone. Of course we need to love ourselves first before loving others. We cannot give if we dont have enough. You cant share if your cup does not overflow.

[james_chaw]

yeah i agree with it but it will not just earn income for its survival alone.
The primary thing that a company is being founded is for the owner to have his own personal income, as in money for his living (business).

mind you, the owner is compensated for his time and effort in running the business. He/She receives a salary for his/her services rendered. at management level and up, wla na gani na silay overtime pay. Survival and to turn a profit. because is not for running if that particular money invested is better off being invested in the money market,stock market, commodities market and other financial instruments. and besides, do you think whatever profit is earned, i-declare tanan as dividends? common practice is to declare up to 30% only of profits as dividends. Even 30% is exorbitant and a bad business practice. The rest is plowed back to the company as working capital/capital investment. That way, it can provide more for its employees.

[james_chaw]

can POSSIBLY... yeah i agree BUT before the company thinks of it, it first thinks what it can earn for itself alone. Of course we need to love ourselves first before loving others. We cannot give if we dont have enough. You cant share if your cup does not overflow.

If you see a business owner as nothing more than an alligator or buwaya, then we will never be able to conclude this debate because you are dead set on that mindset of yours.

[RMK711]

^ sakto ka bro. Companies are not charities they exist for the interest of the owners not the workers but that does not mean they do not provide a benefit to society as a whole. I pity the workers who are cheering this on but end up losing their jobs. Further, they will make P28 pesos more per day pero ang gasto mosaka pud 28 pesos. Who is better off because of this? Nobody.

[james_chaw]

We cannot give if we dont have enough. You cant share if your cup does not overflow.

-> so why would one foolishly demand that employees be given more when the company no longer has the propensity to give? Why force a square peg into a round hole? it's stupid right? so take what you have and make the best out of it.

[james_chaw]

But does 285p could compensate the needs, let us say having two kids and renting his accomodation?-> When there is a need and the will power, there is a way. People always find ways and means to get by. It is impossible for someone to just give up and die on the street. The Philippine situation is nothing like that of Africa where malnutrition as at an alarming rate. Where corruption is the lifeblood of politicians. At least here, there are still those who serve the state without the need to resort to corruption, however few they may be.

1.) But Isn't it a threat, like it's either you will lose your job or we will only give you a very low salary. Then what kind of a threat is that? -> look at this from another POV:

you are previously compensated at Php267/day. Now RTPWB-7 says minimum is now PHP285/day

The company reacts by complying but also to sustain itself let's go of people whose jobs are redundant. YOU just happen to be lucky nga wla gi pa hawa. How would you react to managements decision and action? Place yourself in the shoes of the manager of the company and think hard about your next answer.

2.) He is one of the richest man in the philippines isn't it, then why he was not able to give a better compensation. I agree with you, that an unhappy worker is an unproductive worker that would eventually contribute to the downturn of a company, then where is it now in the case of PAL?

->He is rich because of the dozens of other businesses that he has. It is not logical and entrepreneurial to have one thriving business feed the fledging business. A business is suppose to stand and survive on its own merit and efforts. otherwise, it would have lost sight of why it started the business in the first place. No one with 10 businesses or more will have the 9 businesses or more help out the 1 that is losing. those 9 businesses or more EARNED those profits by sheer efficiency and hard work. This is not a family. This is business. it is completely different and follows completely different rules and guidelines.

By the way, i'd like to remind you that i have seen the employee side and the management side of things.

[james_chaw]

^ sakto ka bro. Companies are not charities they exist for the interest of the owners not the workers but that does not mean they do not provide a benefit to society as a whole. I pity the workers who are cheering this on but end up losing their jobs. Further, they will make P28 pesos more per day pero ang gasto mosaka pud 28 pesos. Who is better off because of this? Nobody.

whom are you referring to bro nga sakto? either way
I'm glad someone sees the situation in a much better and enlightened way than I. the last three sentences are truly inspired.