MERGED: Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito

[El_Critico]

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"We are beggars, and we beg and beg for a Mayweather fight" - Freddie CockRoach

[Jhong jong]

aw. kung sa 147 nalang kha cxa mo away? nganong mag 154 pman jud cla? para mka kuha npud si pakyaw ug lain nga paper belt?

kung mo away cxa sa 154 di cxa mo hatag ug weight restriction sa kuntra. kung dli niya makaya mo away ug kontra na dako ang weight advantage den dli cxa mo away dra na weight class. simple.

way au na si margarito... tikasan na, wa na mag deserve sa payday na madawat niya pag away niya ni pakyaw. margo minus the granite chin minus the plaster = baldomir

maypa si bradley nara para ma unify niya ang 140

"c mayweather lage daghan kaayo'g demand kung makig fight cya ni pacquiao...dapat lang na mu demand sad c pacquiao ug catchweight para patas...."

[Jhong jong]

di bro margacheato >>>>>>>>>>>> bradley

si bradley wala gyud nay dag-nan ni manny sama ra na siya sa ubang boxer nga gusto ug dako nga madawat ug kahibaw siya nga ang away ra ni manny maoy maka hatag niya ana... nindot ni ilang margacheato kay sa 154 awayon............ ok ra na bisag gi bakante ang title basta wala lay catch weight....

nagtuo cguro mo na c pacquiao ra'y nag-una2x anang catch weight:

Here is Championship catchweight List
There are 15 bouts, all of the fights are for title fights except Mayweather vs Marquez.

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker (145 catch-weight for W.W title)
Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa (114 catchweight but McLarnin came in overweight at 122)
Joe Gans vs Joe Walcott (138 pound catchweight)
Henry Maske vs Virgin Hill (190 catchweight)
Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar De La hoya (158 catchweight)
Jose Luis Castillo vs Diego Corrales (both fighters agreed to make 135 but no one can weigh more than 147 on fight night)
Fernando Vargas vs Ricardo Mayorga (162 catchweight)
Roy Jones Jr. vs Felix Trinidad (170 catchweight)
Miguel Cotto vs Manny Pacquiao (145 catchweight)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Juan Manuel Marquez (144 catchweight, Mayweather came in overwheight at 146)
Paulie Ayala vs Johnny Tapia (124 catchweight)
Terry Norris vs Meldrick Taylor (150 1/2 catchweight)
Henry Armstrong vs Law Jenkis (140 catchweight, for a Welterweight Bout! )
Emile Griffith vs Dave Charnley (148 catchweight)
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Donny Lalonde (168 catchweight for the WBC light heavyweight title & vacant WBC super middleweight title)

[znek]

kung e compare nato ang last fight ni margarito, lau ra jud xa ni pacman dli xa kadaug jud pro d lng pud ta compyansa kay naa bya kumo c margarito simbako magtaghapan minghoy tang tanan manghinambog napud to c gayweather...lets pray dli madisgrasya atong pambansang kamao manmy pacman pacquiao!!!

[Bongoton]

People who brand Margarito as Margacheato should read this UNBIASED and INFORMATIVE article by Thomas Hauser. Common sense ra jud ni
Click on the link below for the full article:


Max Boxing - Main Lead - Antonio Margarito and the Handwrap Issue



Meanwhile, Margarito’s position boils down to the following: “Capetillo was solely responsible for acquiring the gauze to make the knuckle pads. Margarito was not present when Capetillo prepared the knuckle pads. Margarito was totally unaware that anything improper had been inserted in the knuckle pads.”

Is that possible?

Yes.

The inserts certainly weren’t visible to Margarito. We know that because Naazim Richardson (who was looking for irregularities) saw no visual evidence of them.

Nor is it a given that Margarito would have felt them.

Emanuel Steward, Freddie Roach, Don Turner, and Dan Birmingham have been honored as “Trainer of the Year” nine times by the Boxing Writers Association of America. Pat Burns trained Jermain Taylor for both of his victories over Bernard Hopkins and is a former police detective. Naazim Richardson trains Shane Mosley and is the man who discovered the illegal inserts in Margarito’s knuckle pads.

Their thoughts are instructive:

Dan Birmingham: “My guys watch me closely when I wrap. But what you’re talking about here happens pretty quickly. The pad goes on and then you put more gauze over it. So sure; it’s possible that the fighter wouldn’t know.”

Pat Burns: “Some fighters don’t pay attention when their hands are being wrapped. They’re listening to music or talking to someone or watching a television monitor. And even if they’re watching, they’re not wondering what’s in the knuckle pad. If I wanted to put a few layers of hardened gauze inside a fighter’s knuckle pads, I could and the fighter would never know.”

Freddie Roach: “If I did something like that, which I wouldn’t, I think I could do it without my fighter knowing. And if I was the fighter; Eddie Futch [who trained Roach] would never have done something like that. But if he had, I think he could have kept it secret from me.”

Don Turner: “I wouldn’t do it. I don’t cheat. But if I wanted to, unless what I was putting into the knuckle pad was very heavy, I could do it in a way that the fighter wouldn’t know. Even if the fighter is watching me wrap, he might not know because he wouldn’t see or feel the difference.”

Emanuel Steward: “My experience has been that a fighter watches very closely when his hands are being taped. But in a situation like this, it’s definitely possible that a trainer could put an insert in the knuckle pad without the fighter knowing. When I get in the dressing room before a fight, one of the first things I do is make two knuckle pads and put them on the table. I don’t put them in my bag. I leave them out on the table, and so does every other trainer I know of. So I have a hard time believing that Capetillo took the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. But the fighter doesn’t watch me make the knuckle pads. A lot of times, the fighter isn’t even there when I make them. So the fighter wouldn’t know if I put something inside the pads unless I told him or the pads were heavy enough that he could feel a difference.”

Naazim Richardson: “I’m the wrong person to ask about this. If a guy is driving a truck and tries to run my daughter over and misses, don’t ask me what the punishment should be. But to be fair, yes, a fighter might not know.”

Could Antonio Margarito have been complicit in the handwrap scandal?

Yes; but we don’t know that he was. And there’s no way that a fighter in his situation can prove his innocence.

If Margarito knew that his knuckle pads contained illegal inserts, a lifetime ban from boxing would be warranted. But a fighter’s career shouldn’t be terminated on a guess.

[Jhong jong]

People who brand Margarito as Margacheato should read this UNBIASED and INFORMATIVE article by Thomas Hauser. Common sense ra jud ni
Click on the link below for the full article:


Max Boxing - Main Lead - Antonio Margarito and the Handwrap Issue



Meanwhile, Margarito’s position boils down to the following: “Capetillo was solely responsible for acquiring the gauze to make the knuckle pads. Margarito was not present when Capetillo prepared the knuckle pads. Margarito was totally unaware that anything improper had been inserted in the knuckle pads.”

Is that possible?

Yes.

The inserts certainly weren’t visible to Margarito. We know that because Naazim Richardson (who was looking for irregularities) saw no visual evidence of them.

Nor is it a given that Margarito would have felt them.

Emanuel Steward, Freddie Roach, Don Turner, and Dan Birmingham have been honored as “Trainer of the Year” nine times by the Boxing Writers Association of America. Pat Burns trained Jermain Taylor for both of his victories over Bernard Hopkins and is a former police detective. Naazim Richardson trains Shane Mosley and is the man who discovered the illegal inserts in Margarito’s knuckle pads.

Their thoughts are instructive:

Dan Birmingham: “My guys watch me closely when I wrap. But what you’re talking about here happens pretty quickly. The pad goes on and then you put more gauze over it. So sure; it’s possible that the fighter wouldn’t know.”

Pat Burns: “Some fighters don’t pay attention when their hands are being wrapped. They’re listening to music or talking to someone or watching a television monitor. And even if they’re watching, they’re not wondering what’s in the knuckle pad. If I wanted to put a few layers of hardened gauze inside a fighter’s knuckle pads, I could and the fighter would never know.”

Freddie Roach: “If I did something like that, which I wouldn’t, I think I could do it without my fighter knowing. And if I was the fighter; Eddie Futch [who trained Roach] would never have done something like that. But if he had, I think he could have kept it secret from me.”

Don Turner: “I wouldn’t do it. I don’t cheat. But if I wanted to, unless what I was putting into the knuckle pad was very heavy, I could do it in a way that the fighter wouldn’t know. Even if the fighter is watching me wrap, he might not know because he wouldn’t see or feel the difference.”

Emanuel Steward: “My experience has been that a fighter watches very closely when his hands are being taped. But in a situation like this, it’s definitely possible that a trainer could put an insert in the knuckle pad without the fighter knowing. When I get in the dressing room before a fight, one of the first things I do is make two knuckle pads and put them on the table. I don’t put them in my bag. I leave them out on the table, and so does every other trainer I know of. So I have a hard time believing that Capetillo took the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. But the fighter doesn’t watch me make the knuckle pads. A lot of times, the fighter isn’t even there when I make them. So the fighter wouldn’t know if I put something inside the pads unless I told him or the pads were heavy enough that he could feel a difference.”

Naazim Richardson: “I’m the wrong person to ask about this. If a guy is driving a truck and tries to run my daughter over and misses, don’t ask me what the punishment should be. But to be fair, yes, a fighter might not know.”

Could Antonio Margarito have been complicit in the handwrap scandal?

Yes; but we don’t know that he was. And there’s no way that a fighter in his situation can prove his innocence.

If Margarito knew that his knuckle pads contained illegal inserts, a lifetime ban from boxing would be warranted. But a fighter’s career shouldn’t be terminated on a guess.

"Gadinanghag ra man sad di ay ni c Margarito"....

[alwin]

sa ako lang dapat unta dili lang ikontra si margarito ni pacman para lang pag respetar sa desisyon sa nevada! wala na ba gyuy lain ika kontra si pacman?

[Bongoton]

"Gadinanghag ra man sad di ay ni c Margarito"....

taronga basa pre.. hehehe

[Bongoton]

sa ako lang dapat unta dili lang ikontra si margarito ni pacman para lang pag respetar sa desisyon sa nevada! wala na ba gyuy lain ika kontra si pacman?

i agree that antonio margarito does not really deserve a shot at pacman, but who else does aside from Floyd?
kadtong 20k fans sa staples center sa ilang fight ni mosley iyaha ang majority adto.. he's a draw.. he is marketable
aside from mayweather, wa naman sad lain mas deserving pa..kinsa man, si berto? who did he beat @ welterweight? Bradley? utro sad.. wa pay saktong gipildi sa welterweight.. if you look at margarito's record @ welterweight, grabe and resume anang tawhana. none of the champions currently @ welterweight had the most success, and the most marketability kaysa niya.. payter pod gyud ni, di basta mo surrender

a lot of fans also want marquez.. the guy weighed 133.5 pounds in his last fight, and you saw how ineffective he was above 140.. not good

[janmarco]

Seen Margarito's latest fight. Seem's like he's not the tough guy he used to be. Don't know if he'll be aggressive knowing that he's got more advantages than Pacman... Height, reach, etc.. This will be interesting to watch if he goes toe to toe with Pacman, I expect a KO.