Trading the Philippine Stock Market

[epgarias]

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Hello everyone sa tanan mga bisaya traders ug labi na ni Bro Epgarias..ayus kaayo ni nga thread dah ug helpful sya..ako na ni iapil sa ako routine hihihi...maayo bitaw ni para maka share tang mga bisaya sa mga tricks, strategies ug makatabang sad ta sa mga mge newbie nga gusto mag invest/trades sa stocks...

today ayos kaayo and atong PSEi ug salamat nga ni up na jud ang EDC hihihi...bro as discuss sa imo mao ni ako gi target for medium term..end of this year ug ang uban nako stocks is for swing trading..7 stocks gihapon ako ginahold ron ug hopefully mo up pa ta hasta ugma...sakto jud to imo analysis bro Ep..thanks..

by the way, para sa ubang traders, bag-o pa lang sad ko start, start lang sad ko trade november last year ug kaagi na sad ug dagkong losses hihihi...

Bro Ep keep it up

Ganahan sad ko atong line ni vondave dah...unsa to bro magpadato na ta? ayus bro...

good luck sa atong tanan

Agree with Kizj.. Lets keep this thread alive by actively posting topics related to stockmarket investing. You can even post your analysis or stock picks for others to learn and give comments or suggestions.

[MoD]

Hello everyone sa tanan mga bisaya traders ug labi na ni Bro Epgarias..ayus kaayo ni nga thread dah ug helpful sya..ako na ni iapil sa ako routine hihihi...maayo bitaw ni para maka share tang mga bisaya sa mga tricks, strategies ug makatabang sad ta sa mga mge newbie nga gusto mag invest/trades sa stocks...

today ayos kaayo and atong PSEi ug salamat nga ni up na jud ang EDC hihihi...bro as discuss sa imo mao ni ako gi target for medium term..end of this year ug ang uban nako stocks is for swing trading..7 stocks gihapon ako ginahold ron ug hopefully mo up pa ta hasta ugma...sakto jud to imo analysis bro Ep..thanks..

by the way, para sa ubang traders, bag-o pa lang sad ko start, start lang sad ko trade november last year ug kaagi na sad ug dagkong losses hihihi...

Bro Ep keep it up

Ganahan sad ko atong line ni vondave dah...unsa to bro magpadato na ta? ayus bro...

good luck sa atong tanan

bro you mention dagkong losses.. as of today? nakabawi naka? murag nindot ni e try dah.. di pareha sa casino pirmi pilde.. ahaha

[vondave]

Hi guys, I wanted to share lang that I got my margin account approved with COL. I finally understand now how it works. It's very convenient. You always have extra buying power on hand and you can use it anytime. Interest is computed at 1.5% per month and broken daily so dili baya dako ang charge. Again, disclaimer lang guys, margin trading is very dangerous for those who aren't careful and don't have a solid trading system. You can wipe out your account faster than you can grow it if you screw up.

Anyway, because I was using margin (hinuwam nga kwarta) I was very meticulous about what stock I would buy. I finally decided on AEV (Aboitiz Equity Ventures) because:
1. Fundamentally, it was a 'Buy' based on ATR Kim Eng's analysis with a target price of 22.5
2. It has a very strong upward trend with very solid support (that seems to coincide with 32 SMA)
3. It touched support last week and its range behavior is a pretty regular zigzag pattern.

I bought a total of 2,000 shares in two trades at support areas (19.25 last july 1 and 19.5 the following day) It is now currently at 20.5 so I've made a (paper) gain of more than 2k already (so far). This including the margin charge already because I checked and the accumulated margin charge I have so far is only P53.28

Making 2k (so far) from borrowed capital may not sound like much for now but I deliberately started small. Plus, I also limit my risk for every trade to max of 2% of my portfolio. My system may have blunted my gain but it will also save my portfolio one day in the future when things don't go my way. Besides, I'm not selling just yet. I want to hold it until it reaches the top of its range which is roughly 22. That would be a gain of roughly 16% or more than 6k. But if you really think about it, I won't gain 16%. I would have a gain rate of infinity coz I had no initial cash outlay. Making money from nothing is a cash gain of infinity. Hehehe.

Robert Kiyosaki calls this 'using leverage'. Getting rich the fastest involves using other people's money to make more money. That's leverage. Anyway, I hope this trade works out ok, but so far, so good.

In closing guys, you should all put the most effort at perfecting your trading system. Fundamentals or technicals alone won't grow your portfolio. Money management will. I know, coz I sucked at trading when I first started. I'm doing much better now that I've adopted a solid trading system. So good luck to all.

Magpadato na ta!!!

[rescyth]

I see 3:1 ratio is good, I should use that for my trades. How do you calculate your target price? From chart or from analysts forecasts?

Does your trading platform have stop loss order?

You mentioned adding positions, i have a question: if you have many buy orders done in one day, will the broker commision be counted per buy order or per day?

1:3 is standard R:R, you can do with as low as 1:1 as long as you have high precision of predicting probabilities. I don't have any special calculations sa TP, it's either this...If I'm wrong, ma igo akong SL and I'm out but If I'm right, ako na epadagan jd until ma spot nko na exhausted na ang trend. That's why I advice jd, as soon as you can take off your indicator, do it...learn trading price action. Ang indicator is like a training wheel sa bike, it's good if new paka but if later ganahan jd ka magpadagan ug paspas, syempre tangtangon jd nimu ang training wheel or better yet palit kag motor.

I just draw a line sa akong SL sa chart then as soon as ma break na then I sell before ma close ang market if maka tanaw but usually sa opening sa next day regardless if bounce mn after naka ma closed. A break is a break.

Then my brokers charge/trade.

Worst trade : loss 1% or @ $1
OK trade : Break even
better days : Gets stopped out with a profit of 1x or more
average days: >5,
best @ record so far : $20.

Ug a little secret lng, my TP jd is time based unless countertrend trading. When I enter a trade, I know what day to to exit unless PA dictates otherwise. Ug I'm a chartist at heart but I'm gonna look for a specific thing to determine the stocks volatility and it's not the Beta(beta is a calculation ghapon of past volatility in relation to the index mn guro, so I don't used it). I think it's about time everyone joins and discuss here on the thread kay murag wall of text kaau ko mu reply. Again, I wish the best jd sa tanan traders sa pinas.

[kizj]

good evening mga bro..good news ron ug green kaayo ang DOW futures karon ug murag mao na ni ang rebound nga atong gipaabot sa DOW (hopefully) hihihi...ayos kaayo ang movement sa EDC ganiha bro Ep... uban nakong stocks ganiha kay okay sad ang lihok...ako dako paper loss ron is DGTL and ako paper gain is ORE but gamay na lang kay ako na gi sell 80% sa ako ORE...

to MoD, bro honestly wa pa ko kabawi sa akong losses but I already improved a lot as a trader..ako dakong loss nahitabo ni during my first 3 months ug mao na ingon nila tuition fee daw..pero importante sad bro nga masayop ka kay anha ka makat-un ug mabaid imo emotion ug skills.. sa una gud magduha duha man ko cutloss tapos ako mga holdings natong una is speculative stocks so pag down as in down jud (-50%) hihihi....pero anha ka makahuna-huna ug ngano kaha to ug unsa ako buhaton para di na to mausab...bro MoD, study ug read a lot about stocks before you start..reading this forum is a good start...ask lang kon naa ka pangutana kay dagahan diri mga maayo na sa stocks ug mga buotan sad ug andam motabang..share share lang gud ta mga bro...

[chukie_boi]

mga bro., ask lng ko bah.
if investment lngjud imo tuyo,
kanang for long terms jud bah,
den mo.employ sd ka ug peso cost avg.,
which is better to invest in,
mutual funds or directly to stocks?
i think much better ang stocks sah?
kay mg.bayad mngud ta ug mgt fee sa MF.
wla lng ko kahibaw kung unsay mga fees,
if ever mo.open ko sa citiseconline den
mg.invest ko for long terms..
help mo dra mga bro...
thanks..

[kizj]

mga bro., ask lng ko bah.
if investment lngjud imo tuyo,
kanang for long terms jud bah,
den mo.employ sd ka ug peso cost avg.,
which is better to invest in,
mutual funds or directly to stocks?
i think much better ang stocks sah?
kay mg.bayad mngud ta ug mgt fee sa MF.
wla lng ko kahibaw kung unsay mga fees,
if ever mo.open ko sa citiseconline den
mg.invest ko for long terms..
help mo dra mga bro...
thanks..

bro chuckie, for investments bro actually both are good... sa akong opininon lang ha...kaning duha pulos okay ug naa ni sila parehas advantage ug dis advantage..Actually nag start ko sa akong investment sa mutual fund sad (Sunlife) ug okay sad kaayo ako ganansya until ako gibaligya tanan nakong mutual fund ug akong gibalhin sa stocks...una advantage sa mutual fund kay sa management..kon wa kay time ug knowledge asa ka mo invest ug busy kaayo imo life mas maayo ang mutual fund kay i invest lang nimo imo money nya sila na mo manage sa imo money ug unsa nga stocks ila paliton..disadvantage kay naa management fees (anually) but ila na man na gi reflect sa ila NAV so kana imo makit-an net na nah sya...kon gamay ra imo capital..advantage sad ang mutual fund kay maka diversify man sila ug maayo (ila term ana kay don't put all your eggs in 1 basket) so kon simbako naa stocks nimo ma down ug maayo kon naka diversify ka di kaayo ka maapektuhan. whereas kon stocks ka since naa minimum board lots ka mopalit plus commision charges dili ka ka diversify kaayo tungod sa imo limited capital...usa pud kon zero pa about investment its a good start to start sa ug mutual fund while you are still studying about stocks ug para naa sad ka feel sa market kay ang principle sa mutual fund mao ra sad sa Stocks...karon sa stocks pud ta..advantage kay pwede nimo ibaligya dayon bisan unsa orasa (basta naa lang trading sad ha hihihi) di pareha sa mutual fund nga naay holding period kon back end load imo gamit...mas gamay ang charges kay di na man ka mobayad ug management fee kay ikaw na man nag manage (pero ingon sila profeesional fortfolio manager man sad sa mutual fund) nya ikaw ang makapili kon unsa imo stocks imo paliton ug ibaligya..in summary ikaw ang totally nag control sa imong portfolio (sa mga maayong laki na stocks, syempre advantage kaayo ni ug kaya kaayo nila palabwan and profits sa mga Mutual fund companies like sa atong mga bro diri nila epgarias, vondave ug etc..)...kon gusto ka mosuway sa stocks start lang sa ug gamay ug andam jud ka malugi sah kay syempre imo ka kompetensya ana kay mga kuyaw man like foreign brokers, institutions (mutual fund companies), local brokers..ug investing public parehas nato...pero kon ma master na sad nimo bro dako sad ang reward...

naa ra nimo bro ug asa ka una basta ang importante kahibaw ka unsa imo goal ug asa ka komportable.... bro pangutana lang bro kon naa ka wa mabsabti hihihi..

good luck bro

[epgarias]

Hi guys, I wanted to share lang that I got my margin account approved with COL. I finally understand now how it works. It's very convenient. You always have extra buying power on hand and you can use it anytime. Interest is computed at 1.5% per month and broken daily so dili baya dako ang charge. Again, disclaimer lang guys, margin trading is very dangerous for those who aren't careful and don't have a solid trading system. You can wipe out your account faster than you can grow it if you screw up.

vondave, congratz bro..
Hoping makaabot nako sa minimum nya na requirements aron maka upgrade nako pohon into COL2x..

By the way, share lang nako there is a more accurate way of computing for the interest per month sa COL2x.
Here is the formula:
Interest = ((Amount Borrowed or Negative Cash Balance * No. of Days utilized * 18%) / 365) + 12%VAT.

Now for the Equity Percentage na dapat nato e monitor here is the formula:
Equity % = (Marginable Stocks + Net Cash Balance) / Marginable Stocks

[kizj]

to vondave:

bro unsaun pag apply ug margin account sa COL? dali ra ba sya ma approvan bro ig apply nato? murag ayus bitaw ni sya nga features bro... naa ra ba syay option didto to use margin account when you buy stocks?

Thanks kaayo bro ... ayus kaayo imo line bro magpadato nata

[epgarias]

1:3 is standard R:R, you can do with as low as 1:1 as long as you have high precision of predicting probabilities. I don't have any special calculations sa TP, it's either this...If I'm wrong, ma igo akong SL and I'm out but If I'm right, ako na epadagan jd until ma spot nko na exhausted na ang trend. That's why I advice jd, as soon as you can take off your indicator, do it...learn trading price action. Ang indicator is like a training wheel sa bike, it's good if new paka but if later ganahan jd ka magpadagan ug paspas, syempre tangtangon jd nimu ang training wheel or better yet palit kag motor.

I just draw a line sa akong SL sa chart then as soon as ma break na then I sell before ma close ang market if maka tanaw but usually sa opening sa next day regardless if bounce mn after naka ma closed. A break is a break.

Then my brokers charge/trade.

Worst trade : loss 1% or @ $1
OK trade : Break even
better days : Gets stopped out with a profit of 1x or more
average days: >5,
best @ record so far : $20.

Ug a little secret lng, my TP jd is time based unless countertrend trading. When I enter a trade, I know what day to to exit unless PA dictates otherwise. Ug I'm a chartist at heart but I'm gonna look for a specific thing to determine the stocks volatility and it's not the Beta(beta is a calculation ghapon of past volatility in relation to the index mn guro, so I don't used it). I think it's about time everyone joins and discuss here on the thread kay murag wall of text kaau ko mu reply. Again, I wish the best jd sa tanan traders sa pinas.

I second the motion jud si rescyth.. Infact the only two very important thing lang jud to focus in a chart is the price and volume..

Bro naa lang ko question.. You mention time base imoha exit and you can estimate the day to exit the stock.. Unsaon nimo ni siya pagdetermine? Are you using fibonacci time zone? Example daw bro..

Usually in my case I am using the ATR + MA combination to set my TP. Gamit pud ko candlestick patterns to determine the market sentiment of that stock aron makahibaw ko if its time to take some profit.

Regarding sa volatility how do you determine it? What is that specific thing na imo gimention that you are looking at? Example daw.. I'm using volume and ATR for this..

To our readers, add lang ko info about sa BETA.. Mao ni siya ginagamit pud sa uban traders as a measurement to determine the riskiness sa isa ka stock in terms sa iya correlation to a specific market index.