Buyers vs Pirates

**personalmgt** · 03-27-2010, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by vern

Now you are just using it to justify piracy

I'll keep it short and simple (no smartass bombing paragraphs).

If I was a pirate, do I really have to worry about DRM where in the first place, there's no DRM at all? So kinsa may naigo sa DRM? Ang pirates or ang legit buyers?

I was about to buy a copy of CNC4 but considering the crazy amount of DRM in that game and all of the complaints about "CONNECTION IS LOST BLA BLA EXPLODY BOOM", looks like I will have to vote with my wallet (simple problem solved amirite?). DRM is good if its done well. Steam is one of those good DRM. I wholeheartedly accept Steam as a good DRM. The rest are just ridiculous.

I'm tired of hearing raging comments mostly from console fans about PC guys proving their purity on piracy and it gets really absurd like beating around the bush. I am also getting tired of listening to game developers blaming piracy in the PC for low sales. Instead of all of this blaming and stuff, why don't just game developers step the **** out of my PC and make everyone's life easier.

Ubisoft keeps blaming piracy for low sales in the PC then they just released AC2 with a draconian DRM. Now who's the twat?

Why don't Activision/IW just stop developing MW2 for PC before it was released when they blame piracy again. Then afterwards we're getting a b**********g port and a *UBAR'ed (past tense, see what I did there?) IW.net. Now who's the twat?

Why don't Crytek stop making Crysis 2 for PC when they blame PC again for low sales but they even managed to sell a million dollars in Crysis 1? Now who's the twat?

I can accept game titles being released for consoles only. Not a problem like what I did to GoW2.

I am not justifying my posts here as a Pirate, but as a paying customer to games I deserve a rant that is summed up in a simple GIF.

PS: BTW, I forgot this forum is like 90% pirates, 10% legit. So I think your post stands. But I do not like the way you generalize the PC market as a pirates haven.

**vern** · 03-27-2010, 04:18 AM

I'll keep it short and simple (no smartass bombing paragraphs).

No please, argue your point. That is what a forum is for. But, do you know who you are talking to? Are you seriously thinking you can be a smartass with me? Do you think of me as your regular internet forum troll? Do you think that I am your regular console fanboy? Sorry to break it to you, but I don't need to justify myself to someone who has never had to optimize himem.sys. I've been arguing with people like you in the bastion of PC gaming, GameFAQs since 2001. You can be a smartass with people your age, not with someone whose gaming career is longer than you've been alive.

If I was a pirate, do I really have to worry about DRM where in the first place, there's no DRM at all? So kinsa may naigo sa DRM? Ang pirates or ang legit buyers?

Wow I actually agree. That doesn't change the fact that companies will still put a form of DRM on their games because of pirates. How well are pirates playing online in MW2? BC2? It's a little bit of a hassle if I say so myself. However annoying DRM is, there is method to their madness.

I was about to buy a copy of CNC4 but considering the crazy amount of DRM in that game and all of the complaints about "CONNECTION IS LOST BLA BLA EXPLODY BOOM", looks like I will have to vote with my wallet (simple problem solved amirite?).

Might as well vote with your wallet and pirate it ... amirite?

DRM is good if its done well. Steam is one of those good DRM. I wholeheartedly accept Steam as a good DRM. The rest are just ridiculous.

Wait, when was the last time you bought from Steam? You do realize that Steam implements their own DRM in ADDITION to the DRM that exists in the game beforehand right? If a game required you to login to the publisher's server, then login to Games for Windows Live, then you bought it on Steam, you would still have to do the two authentication processes. When was the last time you bought anything off Steam again?

I'm tired of hearing raging comments mostly from console fans about PC guys proving their purity on piracy and it gets really absurd like beating around the bush.

Are you serious? Do console fans really do this? Are you implying that I am a console fanboy? Console fans are just like PC fans. If it was easy to pirate console games, they would do it. What is your point? My point is that the very power of the PC also enables it to pirate games willy nilly. But you have no point.

Instead of all of this blaming and stuff, why don't just game developers step the **** out of my PC and make everyone's life easier.

That is not the point. You have never gotten the point. They are a business. They want to make money, and if they think they can make money from PCs, they will try to. If that pisses you off, then don't buy their games. You are one person, you cannot dictate or force how companies act. Like I said, vote with your wallet. Don't buy PC games. You keep mentioning how tired you are with publishers and devs blaming piracy, but you know what? ... it's entirely their right to blame piracy. They are a company, not a charity. Regardless of how they get their data on how much money they lose, your assumptions that they make any money at all is just that ... assumptions. For every Modern Warfare, there are a ton of games that don't sell well ... games that barely break even.

Why don't Crytek stop making Crysis 2 for PC when they blame PC again for low sales but they even managed to sell a million dollars in Crysis 1? Now who's the twat?

Are you seriously holding a million dollars in sales a good thing? How much did the game take to develop? How much was the profit? ... if any? Simple economics. A million dollars is nothing and it was widely known that Crysis sold very poorly. But hey, if you call a million dollars a success, I guess it is to be expected from a person who expects companies to not act like companies, but servants to the customer. But let's assume that you meant to say that it sold a million copies ... which it did ... over the course of a year ... WORLDWIDE. Far from the success you tout.

I can accept game titles being released for consoles only. Not a problem like what I did to GoW2.

Then accept it. No DRM that is apparent ... but DRM nonetheless. No whining.

I am not justifying my posts here as a Pirate, but as a paying customer to games I deserve a rant that is summed up in a simple GIF.

Look at your GIF. Seriously look at it and ask yourself what kind of message you are trying to convey. If there was any message at all, it's proving what I have already said ... that pirates screw legitimate customers over. No one deserves a rant for the sake of a rant. If you don't want to be criticized, write in a paper journal. Welcome to the Internet.

PS: BTW, I forgot this forum is like 90% pirates, 10% legit. So I think your post stands. But I do not like the way you generalize the PC market as a pirates haven.

Man, do you not read what you post? You don't like it when I generalize the PC market but concede that this forum is 90/10 to the pirates. Why don't you just say you don't like taking it from behind, but agree that you are at this very moment taking it from behind.

Love,

vern.

**vern** · 03-27-2010, 04:18 AM