German Shepherd Dog Thread

[guilliam]

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@guilliam:

nyor, naa ra ang imong idol nga Farbenspiel line ai,naa ra gihapon diay sila pero ang anak na ang breeder.
von Stadtwappen kennels na ang name.mao ni ila website ai.

Über Uns / History

paytera, ang prob kay dili ko kasabot ug german ehehhe. very few ang english sa ila site

- g

[guilliam]

to those avid GSD breeder, i got one important question for you.. please answer it seriously..

y man magshed ang ila coat basta naa clay "kaspa"?

mao gihapon na nahitabo sa 1st batch when they are on der 1st month pero as they turned 3 months ok na ang tubo sa ilang coat, is it normal nga naay part nga magshed basta naay something nga "kaspa"?

amo nalang gipahiran ug VCO or tuno sa lubi para ma tang2 ang kaspa2.

most common i noticed on gsd puppies when symptoms like those are caused by MANGE or kagid. take note that kagid has many forms and variations.
gsd puppies are prone to parasites, their young body has almost no immunity to it.
if mange man gani, avoid sa dam on areas na naay infected by mange, also disinfect the area using amitraz.

if it looks like dandruff and some areas ra affected; it might be HEAT SPOTS na gitawag. certain skin area of the pups body will become very dry thus mao naa dead skins.

really hard to tell without seeing it.. for me these are the two common based on what you mentioned.

best is consult your doctor

- g

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from this thread in the buy and sell:

https://www.istorya.net/forums/pets/2...ml#post6756305

- g

[Nutley]

Bella after an hour of jogging............super exhausted!!!

[fairymyth]

gud day miss,i did not have any malice or ill intentions with my statement above...& basically not stated to infuriate any person.as it could happen (dystocia) in any certain bloodline,breeding,breed,etc.furthermore,to cut any negative misnomers,with regards to my statement above i viewed it as an act of overstatement that has been overlooked upon,i apologize for such rude statement,tactless naming of a person or his kennel name & or line,a person whom i have a great deal of respect in the field of GSD's.may this statement be greatly accepted as a means of reconsideration,by the person mentioned & all the istoryans.ty

Sir,
Thank you for your retraction and clarification.

[fairymyth]

ah ok,so wat uve started to see are modern bloods.im also a fan of v.arlett's specially ulk ,the 95'seiger i supposed.but are more inclined with old lines like the v. arminius & vd.wienarau of the martins,almost always in fact my male is visum v. arminius linebred, 2.2.3.but nywy, just a word of CAUTION,one of my female,is a product of hockson's janhock,so far i like the way it produced specially when bred with my male,whose a direct son of japanese seiger falgo v.schlossgraben & bibi v. maxitrend...the croups & angulations are great...but my only comment regarding my female (& some,if not most janhock bitches),as per veterinary clinic researched data..is the fact that they are very prone to birthing problems (dystocia),3 out of 4..including my female has undergone ceasarian section!the problem i saw is the fact that they have weak nerves for contraction,shallow pelvic opening & very thin uterine lining,we've checked & compaired it with some bitches during C-sections.so please dont just be familiar with the looks but the overall physiology of a certain line as well

Sir Guillam,
Ask unta ko sa gsd experts like you and Sir Humper about adtong linebreeding kang visum arminius na 2.2.3 Should this be 2-2,3 or 2-2,3 or whatever. Does this na siblings or magigsoon sa papa or mama gimate. Di ba dili ni allowed sa SV breeding.

Paralegal ra ko Sir Guillam but hopefully padulong didto. As of now, thinking of getting a pet, adog like gsd or cat lang una para low maintenance. Mura ang isda, atimanunon kaayo.

sa karon, research lang una ko but I find GSD very interesting and hopefully own one someday

[humper]

hi there,not actually an "expert" like @ guilliam or anyone for that matter.anyway,regarding the linebreeding ratio ur asking,which means that visum arminius appeared twice in the 2nd generation & once in the 3rd generation of a certain dog's pedigree hence 2.2.3 or 2-2.3 or whatever u prefer.they do allow that even inbreeding,actually no club has ever ruled out to have any specifications on inbreeding,outcrossing or linebreeding,with regards to registering a litter or not.

[joneil]

mga bossing... when mo mag tapok? nhan ta ko e suroy amo 6months old na GSD

[Nutley]

mga bossing... when mo mag tapok? nhan ta ko e suroy amo 6months old na GSD

pwede ra karon sunday bro.

[fairymyth]

hi there,not actually an "expert" like @ guilliam or anyone for that matter.anyway,regarding the linebreeding ratio ur asking,which means that visum arminius appeared twice in the 2nd generation & once in the 3rd generation of a certain dog's pedigree hence 2.2.3 or 2-2.3 or whatever u prefer.they do allow that even inbreeding,actually no club has ever ruled out to have any specifications on inbreeding,outcrossing or linebreeding,with regards to registering a litter or not.

Sir Humper,
Im not really sure about this since Im only a tenderfoot with regards GSD and dogs for that matter. I may have misunderstood what I read regarding SV rules not permitting a 2-2 breeding. Basin nasayop ko ug sabot sa akong nabasahan mao nakaingon ko na SV rules on breeding does not permit this.
Based on my research, In the united Schutzhund clubs of america breeding regulations, Article 4.3.2.1
4.3.2.1. Incest Breeding: Breeding between parents and offspring, grandparents and nieces and nephews, and also breeding between relatives of the 1st and 2nd degree (nieces and nephews or siblings and cousins). Inbreeding closer than 2-3 or 3-2, and among siblings, is not permitted.
In the SV rules for breeding and breeders translated by Fred Lanting Article 4.1.5 Breeding procedure
Most narrow inbreeding (incest breeding) is pairing between parents and children, grandparents and grandsons or between siblings (therefore between relatives of the 1st and 2nd degree) in a straight or side line. Inbreeding closer than 2-3 or 3-2 (including with siblings of those dogs) is not allowed. (Linebred 2-3 is the maximum.)

but whatever, unsa man ang stand ani sa mga local experts? ug i register sa PCCI, acceptable ba ibreed ang magigsoon ug pareho nindot. how about other breeds?

[guilliam]

Sir Guillam,
Ask unta ko sa gsd experts like you and Sir Humper about adtong linebreeding kang visum arminius na 2.2.3 Should this be 2-2,3 or 2-2,3 or whatever. Does this na siblings or magigsoon sa papa or mama gimate. Di ba dili ni allowed sa SV breeding.

Paralegal ra ko Sir Guillam but hopefully padulong didto. As of now, thinking of getting a pet, adog like gsd or cat lang una para low maintenance. Mura ang isda, atimanunon kaayo.

sa karon, research lang una ko but I find GSD very interesting and hopefully own one someday

hatot sad nang EXPERT mam woi ehehhehe. hilig ra ni; dili ni expertise :P GSD enthusiast tingali maka pasar pa tingali ko

for me, wala gyud mo mahay if gsd inyo ma choose na breed. as long as kaya ninyo ang space and time i requires(high energy raba mga gsd).

going back to your question about the linebreeding ug unsa ba nang hinampak nga 2-1, 1-2, 2-3 etc...

here goes; little complicated to explain, however let me try.
the number represents first digit as SIRE and second digit as DAM. the number is how far from the line. so if you say 2-1 this is an in breeding of a son bred to his mother. 2 on the example is on the father side, appears second on the pedigree. 1 is mother side the same(since its 1). example of this is illustrated on this url, the bottom most table:

Coefficient of Inbreeding - Wright's Equation and Hardiman's Method

another example:

so if you say "2-3 Line-bred to GUILLIAM THE DAWG" this means:

2 - represents father side (first digit)
3 - represents mother side (second digit)

2 - on the SECOND line/generation on the father side appears GUILLIAM THE DAWG
3 - on the THIRD line/generation on the father side appears GUILLIAM THE DAWG

now lets apply this on ACTUAL dog. a good example of a local producer GSD would be Quinci of Greenwater which is line-bred to VA1 (PH) PHIL CH Baer von Bann as "2-2". meaning VA1 (PH) PHIL CH Baer von Bann apears second on the line on the father side and second on the line on the mother side. see Quinci of Greenwater's pedigree here:

Quinci of Greenwater pedigree information - German shepherd dog

generally the DASH or "-" is separator to distinguish the SIRE - DAM. again first digit/set is always sire and second digit/set is dam.

now lets make this a little complicated. you might be wondering in Quinci of Greenwater's pedigree what does "5 - 5,5 in VA1 Uran vom Wildsteiger Land" means? this means URAN appears fifth on the father side and fifth twice on the mother side. the COMMA means it appears more than once.

another example why "5 - 5,4 in VA6 Odin von Tannenmeise", this means ODIN appears 5th on father side, fifth on mother side and also fourth on the mother side.

so if you say "5,4 - 4,3 to GUILLIAM THE DAWG" this means GUILLIAM THE DAWN appears 5th and 4th generation on the father side, GUILLIAM THE DAWN appears 4th and 3rd generation on the mother side.

so when humper stated:

...almost always in fact my male is visum v. arminius linebred, 2.2.3.

i honestly dont have a single idea what "2.2.3" means. is it 2-2,3 or 2,2-3 or what? on line breeding on PDB the above explanation of that pesky numbers is what i know. maybe he's explaining the "Wright's inbreeding coefficient"?

- g