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[MrBiddle]

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Weedmeister is correct, but Manny and his kind will try to reconcile these differences with his usual cunning sophistry....

Tell us, what does the Latin word Fallo mean and what word in the English language stemmed from that word?

"I deceive"=fallo

[tolstoi]

(2) The Bible teaches that all have sinned except Jesus (Romans 3:10-12, Hebrews 4:15), but tradition says that Mary was sinless.

(6) The Bible says that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5), but tradition says Mary is co-mediator with Christ.

brod weed..it's because the old testament was created ages before the birth of Jesus Christ, that is why the reference on Christ-Mary still don't exist. IMO

[Desert Father]

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not by one pope, but by many...

(1) The Bible teaches that the office of bishop and presbyter are the same office (Titus 1:5-7), but tradition says they are different offices..

The Church focuses on Scripture and Sacred Tradition as they both flow out of the same divine wellspring, making up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation 2:9,10). This is verified by the teaching of Scripture. Scripture speaks of two kinds of tradition. One is condemned, and the other requires belief. Paul tells us In 2 Thessalonians 2:15, to "Stand firm, and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."

(2) The Bible teaches that all have sinned except Jesus (Romans 3:10-12, Hebrews 4:15), but tradition says that Mary was sinless..

The New Testament is consistent with the Old. Luke 1:28 records the angel Gabriel addressing Mary: "Hail full of grace." Note that Gabriel does not address Mary by name but by the title "Full of Grace." The Greek word kekaritomene (kecaritwmenh), which is translated as "Full of Grace," means, among other things, much graced or imbued with special honor. Could this refer to the special honor of bearing the Savior? It cannot, because the word kekaritomene is a perfect participle, which simply means that it refers to something that was completed in the past. At this point Mary had not even been asked, nor had she as yet accepted, the role of bearing the Savior.

It is by the grace of God that we avoid sin. To be full of grace would be a prerequisite to being sinless. However, being sinless does not make Mary equal to God. Remember that Adam and Eve were created sinless and that did not make them equal to God.

The early Church viewed Mary as the second Eve. Both were born without sin, the first would fail; the second would triumph. The early Church fathers called Mary "all holy," "all pure," "most innocent," "a miracle of grace," "purer than the angels," and "altogether without sin." These quotes all come from the first three centuries of Church history. So the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception could not be a later invention as some allege.

(3) The Bible teaches that Christ offered His sacrifice once for all (Hebrews 7:27, 9:28, 10:10), but tradition says that the priest sacrifices Christ on the altar at mass..

Malachi 1:11 speaks prophetically of the Mass: "From the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering, for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts." The sacrifice spoken of is not the Judaic sacrifice. The passage refers to a pure sacrifice that will take place everywhere among the nations (Gentiles). This makes perfect sense as we are living in "the times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24). Psalm 110 [109] provides even more detail. Verse 4 reads, "The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, 'You [Jesus] are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.'" In Genesis 14:18 Melchizedek offered a sacrifice of bread and wine. So Psalm 110 is a prediction that Jesus would offer a perpetual sacrifice involving bread and wine. The Sacrifice of the Mass involves the offering of bread and wine.

(4) The Bible says that we are not to bow down to statues (Exodus 20:4, 5), but tradition says that we should bow down to statues..

Exodus 20:3-5: "You shall not have other Gods besides me. You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth. You shall not bow down before them or worship them."

God is not prohibiting the making of pictures and statues, but the deifying and worshipping of them. Note the first and last lines of the passage. Also consider what we find in Exodus 36:8 concerning the tabernacle curtains: "The various experts who were executing the work made the dwelling with its ten sheets woven of fine linen twined, having cherubim Â*embroidered on them." And Exodus 37:7, concerning the Ark of the Covenant: "Two cherubim of beaten gold were made for the two ends of the mercy seat…"

In 1 Kings we read some of what was in Solomon's Temple: "In the sanctuary were two cherubim, each ten cubits high, made of olive wood" (6:23). "This rested on twelve oxen" (7:25). Finally, "On the panels between the frames there were lions, oxen and cherubim" (7:29).

Pictures and statues of saints are valued in the same way that pictures of friends and family are. They are not idols, but visible reminders of what they represent. For idolatry to exist, a person must worship something or think of it as if it were God. A man who kisses a picture of his wife and children is not practicing idolatry. He is merely expressing love for his family. The same applies to pictures and statues of saints. Idolatry is an interior disposition. It is wrong to judge interior motives by what we think we see.

(5) The Bible says that all Christians are saints and priests (Ephesians 1:1; 1 Peter 2:9), but tradition says that saints and priests are special castes within the Christian community..

The BibleBible Christians call their ministers "Pastor." Pastor means shepherd. In John 10:14-16 Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd. Â*I know my own and my own know me, as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd." If we reason that we cannot call a priest Father because we "have one Father who is in heaven," then can we not also reason that we cannot call a minister Pastor because there is only "one Shepherd?"

God is Father and Jesus is Shepherd in the ultimate sense. Church leaders are shepherds and fathers in a lesser sense. Why else would Peter say in 1 Peter 5:2-4, "Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory." The term "Chief Shepherd" indicates that there are subordinate shepherds. One scripture verse clarifies another, and so it is with the different verses pertaining to the title of father.

When assuming these titles in the proper sense we share, in a subordinate way, in the priesthood of Jesus, working for the furtherance of God's kingdom. As practiced by the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law, however, it was a way of exalting self while pretending to serve God.

says that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5), but tradition says Mary is co-mediator with Christ.

(7) The Bible says that all Christians should know that they have eternal life (1 John 5:13), but tradition says that all Christians cannot and should not know that they have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Titus 3:3-7 speak of salvation as an inheritance. An inheritance cannot be earned, but it can be lost. Despite what some may claim, Christians can lose their salvation. Paul affirms this when writing the church at Corinth, "But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor the idolaters, nor the adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:8-10).


By the above, we can CLEARLY, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, conclude that fundamentalist did not understand the Catholic faith or it is interpreting God's word for their very own ends.

[weedmeister2]

@MOSIMOS: In YOUR OWN WORDS, please sum up your rebuttal. oh, and there were some glitches in your cutting and pasting...

I won't answer to the above unless you can sum it up in your own words, or else i'll just cut 1000 pages and paste it all in here...

[Desert Father]

They are very understandable. Unless you dont have any rebutall to that.

[Carlo Borromeo]

I really hoped that despite disagreeing with each other, we could do it in a mature and rational way, but sadly, there are those who act like little Hitlers and Stalins here, pushing their ideas down everyone's throats while at the same time CLOSING THEIR MINDS to new ideas, however sound and rational they may be.

If those of whom I write are reading this, let me ask you this - WHAT'S THE POINT OF POSTING IN AN OPEN FORUM WHEN YOU REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER THE VALIDITY OF OTHERS STATEMENTS?

If you prefer ONE-SIDED posts, free from the thoughts of others, then I suggest that you start a BLOG.

[Desert Father]

Truth is absolute. Truth is One. There can be no several "truths." I cannot be standing firm in my thruth and then accept the validity of other's statement.

There are those who already found the truth and yes they cant be open minded anymore because as I have said, truth is absolute.

[Carlo Borromeo]

Truth is absolute. Truth is One. There can be no several "truths." I cannot be standing firm in my thruth and then accept the validity of other's statement.

There are those who already found the truth and yes they cant be open minded anymore because as I have said, truth is absolute.

If you prefer ONE-SIDED posts, free from the thoughts of others, then I suggest that you start a BLOG.

Your posts reveal more about yourself than it does about the religion you claim to "defend." If you are calling your actions as a "defense" of your faith, then you are doing a pretty poor job of it and you are in fact doing the exact opposite.

[bcasabee]

Mr. Briddle.............I hope we can discuss things in a friendly way....................It would be appreciated if you will share your ideas why weed is correct to reinforce his statements..............If those guys have those so called cunning sophistry........I hope you can also show equivalent or superior skills to make things more intellectually interesting...................

Weedmeister is correct, but Manny and his kind will try to reconcile these differences with his usual cunning sophistry....

Tell us, what does the Latin word Fallo mean and what word in the English language stemmed from that word?

"I deceive"=fallo

[Desert Father]

I did not prevent others from expressing their views. Did I? Â*But to agree with them is another story.

You say Im one sided? How about you? Â*Are you not one sided also against the Catholic faith?