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[bcasabee]

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Your church is older than the Catholic Church you say? Wala na, ga mata na ta ug morning ani.... Can you give us historical accounts please? Naa diay Greenhills Christian Fellowship sa unang panahon no? Nga for all I know, na discover ta 1521 pa man to..........Unya ang unang gi baptize sa Pilipinas kay si King Humabon ug Queen Juana nga incidentally Roman Catholic...........ayaw pataka ug istorya part........ma false prophet jud ta ana..............

Wow so this church is better than the Roman Catholic church? Kanus-a ra ni naman ni na register sa Securities and Exchange Commission? Pila man pud damage nato ani? 10% tite? Dili kaha ni church which Jesus refered to as the new false prophets who will appear on the end of times and give false informations to the people? Sus kung kamo nalang juy tinood no? Pila ray miyembro ninyo.....gamaya ra sa malangit no? Unsaon nalang ubang Christians sa Africa, China, India, America and other countries nga wala jud intawn kaila sa inyo chruch.....ma impyerno to sila?

hehehe, older than the catholic church, YES. we are a CHRISTIAN church, like those men who were persecuted in rome, before the rise of the CATHOLIC CHURCH. wala miy tithing...

Ang iyang gi istoryaan adto part kay si Peter or Pedro for short.........who denied Jesus 3 times.....and yes.....our beloved Peter was the rock whom Jesus built his Roman Catholic Church on and was our first Pope..........and Peter because of their culture and customs should had worn robes.......
And man.....your still capitalizing on catholic church past mistakes to descredit it? Do you despise our beloved Pope John Paul II and Mother Theresa? Tell me, who in your church can level what they had accomplished? Ayaw pataka ug judge lagi because that is reserved for the Lord......wala na gi tudlo sa inyo church? How lame gud........ka basic ana nga teaching.............

Even if you try to banged directly with it..........you can't topple it cause Jesus already assured us that no power on earth can topple it..........but right now....you are tyring to banged it indirectly..........and see what happens........

He is speaking of those who believe His word. Not men in robes who amass wealth and kill.

Unsay guy Church in heart of men.......asa mana sa Bible nimo gi punit? Part dili ni poetry ning atoang debate part ha, religion ni, as in religion.......as in dili ni pinanidotay ug word nga gigamit........Kung satanism ang naa sa heart sa man......ning refer diay si Jesus ug Satanism? Don't be vague bro.........Ka klaro na anang si Jesus was talking to Peter in black and white.......butangan paman jud ug lain nga color...........sentido common bro....klaro na kaayo nga Roman Catholic Church ang Church nga gi refer ni Jesus Christ uy.......powerful gud na...it lasted 2000 years pa.........naka agi ug daghan na kaayong controversy ug mga scandals.......and yet it has stood firm and powerful.......sentido common.......it is the Roman Catholic Chruch which Jesus built upon the rock called Saint Peter.......and your church is just the break away group who wanted to topple it..........

So what if the Church is rich and powerful......r ur pastors insecure?...Did Jesus told Peter that Peter is the rock......and that on this rock.....his church will be built and no power can topple this church? Isn't Jesus referring to the powerful Roman Catholic Church......no one.....even other christian churches combine can topple our powerful and mighty Roman Catholic Church............what a coincidence...................


Nope, he meant the CHURCH which is in THE HEARTS OF MEN.

Ay sus........naa na sad ta aning pope who wanted money? Common attack na ni part.....Be, kinsa man kunoy makatupong ni Mother Theresa sa inyong church? Ayaw mo panghinambog nga maayo mo part kay bahaan ka namo ug mga righteous from our powerful catholic church........

Bible based mo part? The Catholic church made the same many mistakes, one example is Galileo's discovery that the sun was the center and earth is revolving in it......poor Galileo during his time........and now ur doing the same mistake.......bai kung sa panultihon pa........ang Catholic Church pabalik na.......kamo padulong palang........As I said.........the Catholic Church is the oldest Christian church.....so kung sentido common lang gamiton.........ang mga false prophets kay kanang mga bag-o nga churches karon nga ning sulpot lang ug kalit............................di ba your church belongs to the bag-ong sulpot?

Hehehehe, like i said, we christians were around even before your popes wanted to make money... we did not make the mistake of holding on to riches and power...Â* :mrgreen:

Ayaw pag pinolosopo part........Naa diay Greenhills Christian Fellowship sa Bible? Tsk tsk tsk.......hahay........

Di ba in the Bible niingon pud dito........beware...in the end of times.....there will be false prophets appearing to give false informations to the people.........karon kinsa man kunoy mga false prophets nga nanggawas karong panahona nga ang Catholic Church may pinaka karaan nga Church...........reviewoha kuno nang inyong mga bag-ong churches diha kung dili ba kaha na mga false prophets diha nga nagpakaron ingnon lang...............


Acts 11:26 "And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

We are christians, just like those first christians my friend... where was your CATHOLIC church...? is the word CATHOLIC even in the bible?Â*

Me brainwashed? Wala ka mangutana kung ikaw ba kaha ang na brainwashed sa imong false church? Sige lang ta one sided ani perme.......Ako....Of course I am for the rule of God...........are u implying that your church is the rule of God, and ours is not? Mao nay gi tawag ug self-righteousness........ang attitude sa tawo nga characterize nga sila nalang jud sakto.........ang uban wala nalang jud........

Its okey if you tell the truth.....but your intention of telling the truth is meant to harm our chruch............Wala nalang jud kay nahibaw-an nga maayo nga nabuhat sa Catholic Church? Tsk tsk tsk..... Pasalamat gani ka nga si Roman Catholic Ferdinan Magellan ning landing sa Pilipinas....kung wala pa........Islamic state unta ta karon......Mura ta ug Middle East ani.......ban ang Christianity............Wala unta na inyong Greenhills Christian Fellowship bai.................

Mao nay naka pait ana part.......sayon kaayo ug sulti ug instruct sa uban nga mao ni mao nay buhata.....pero kung imo na gani kaugalingon i compromise........mo talaw dayon....tsk tsk tsk.........if you had vatican's richness? unsa man intawon nang tubaga uy........mahulog naman na ug alibi........dili ko ka sacrifice kay wala koy richness like of the vatican's.......mao nay gi tudlo sa inyo church?.......unsaon pagka sacrifice ana kung ang imong buhat dili makasakit sa imong bulsa.........comfort zone lang ta ani perme?............wala ko ma impress......Dapat nimo ma realize part nga selling Vatican's priceless, historical and world heritage properties is just equivalent in scale of selling your own house and giving it to the poor............pero nganong dili man ka kabuhat ug baligya sa imo property? Dili ka kabuhat because your suggestion is ridiculous and impractical and you only use it to show that Vatican is the bad guy while your church is the good guy......well, false prophets always wear pretty faces and warmed, angelic and covincing words.........beware..........

hehehe, you are well brainwashed my friend... i do not even own a house... hehehe although i do my part. to tell you what i do would be trying to sell myself to you, which i do not need to do.... if you think i am a false prophet, just answer this then: What would you follow? The rules of man, or the rules of GOD? It's that simple.

You see......my heart is not as hard as you think.......its just unfair that you attack our church because its is very rich......man.......I dare you to sell your house and donate the proceeds to the poor just as you criticized the Church of not selling its priceless and age old properties.........lets see how righteous you are.............


I apologize if i criticized your church... i mean to show people the truth, and not to blind them more.

[mannyamador]

Have you even read them?

Yes. I also have a soft copy of the KJV.

why are there inconsistencies in your apocryphal books?

There are none. But there are inconsistencies in the KJV.

It is highly relevant, for a church that can kill its own pope is not God-centered at all.

That does not follow. Sinners exist in all faiths. So what? They exist in YOUR church. Thieves and liars too. So does tha mean your church is not god-oriented? You just shot yourself in the foot!

Oh, it is a myth? really now... have you ever heard of squatters?

Is that CAUSED by overpopulation, or greed, injustice, and poor distribution? You don't seem to have examined the issue at all. Show me actual proof that poverty is CAUSED by overpopulation.

Poverty IS caused by greed! Greed on whose part? who has the gold, property, wealth, art, great food, the poor or the church?

The politicians. And YOUR church. Have you sold your house and given the procceds to the poor? No? And what about the nice houses of your pastors with the three-piece suits and trophy wives? Oh, exempt, are they? I though so.

So you mean the artworks and the land will have no buyers?

No sellers! Where will the Vatican go if it sells its buildings? That's selling off the entire country already! Do you even know how small the Vaticsan is? Try reading my post again. S-L-O-W-L-Y so as to prevent overload. Good grief!

I was talking about the murderer sir... If he says he has faith in God and the scriptures, then proceeds to stab you, that is a sure sign of a non-believer... Even kids know that sir...

Same logic. Murder is a sin. So then any christian who sins has no faith. You shot yourself in the other foot now!

As for works, try reading James 2:14-26.

14: What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15: If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
16: and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
17: So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18: Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
19: You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
20: Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22: You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
23: Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."
24: See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25: And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
26: For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

here's something to ponder though:
Matthew 15:3-9 (King James Version)
Teachings and Commandments of men? Sounds vaguely familiar, eh?

Yes. It sounds a lot like YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS of scripture. Please show me why we should beolieve your wacky interpretation? Did God persobnally give you the authority to interpret scripture? Obviously not. Commandments of men, that's all your personal interpretations are! And your false, lying church too.

Maybe you still think Wikipedia is an impeachable source too eh?

[mannyamador]

When Paul and Silas were asked by the jailer on how to be saved, they replied:
Acts 16:30 "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

But they did not claim they were saved once and for all.

You are interpreting scripture and putitng your own spin on it. Now why should we believe YOU? Ae you an Apostle? Please spare us the comedy.

[at8n1981]

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[bcasabee]

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[mannyamador]

Salvation through faith alone? What nonsense! Read James 2:14-26. And here's what else the Bible has to say, from Matthew naman...

Mathhew 25: 31-46:

31: "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32: and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33: He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34: Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35: For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36: naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37: Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38: When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39: When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40: And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41: Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42: For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43: a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44: Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45: He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46: And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Faith alone? Yeah right. Maybe my first name is Elvis too.

[tolstoi]

^^what's your point?..where is the bible clause that specifically states "LO and BEHOLD..YOU CAN ALL SAVE YOUR ARSE FROM THE FIRES OF HELL THRU RELIGION AND FAITH"



nwayz..all i can say is..my religion that is Roman Catholic is far from perfect, and so as the other religion in the universe...why is it that hard to accept? :mrgreen:

[mannyamador]

I'm still waiting for weed here to show me even one verse that explicitly states that the Bible ALONE is the SOLE source of Christian doctrine (or the SOLE rule of faith)), aka "sola scriptura". Still no verse. Maybe that's because sola scriptura is NOT IN THE BIBLE at all!

And what about salvation through faith alone ("soal fide")? I wonder why he can't seem to do something about james 2:14-26 and Mt.25:31-46. I guess sola fide is nothjing more than an erroneous personal interpretation as well!

[mosimos]

Weed,

even apostle paul did not claim he is saved already.

1.) "It is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God."(1 Corinthians 4:2-5)

2.) 1 Corinthians 9:25-27, "Every athlete exercises self control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air, but I pommel my body and subdue it lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."

3.) "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God" (James 4:6-7).

4.) "If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing...And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love" [color=Blue](1 Corinthians 13:2, 13).[/color

When Paul and Silas were asked by the jailer on how to be saved, they replied:

Acts 16:30 "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

The passages I mentioned are clear. Paul did not say he is already saved. You are not able to refute it. The answer is in the Bible.

[bcasabee]

Kani bai tolstoi pwede pud ni lalison nato kung perfect ba ang Catholic religion or dili or kung naa ba juy perfect nga religion..........pero para walay lalis lets accept nalang nga wala juy perfect nga religion para fair sa tanan................pero gi depensaan lang namo ang atoang religion kay gi pasinganlan nga wala juy nabuhat nga kaayohan sa katawhan while ang ilahang bag-ong tubo nga religion maoy maayo nga relihiyon nga daghan kaayo ug natabang sa katawhan.........pero kung mao nay ilang pagtuo.......wala tay mahimz......hilom nalang ta ani kung dili ta ganahan ug lalis...............well anyway......the more we will be criticized, the more we will learn and the more we will be reminded of our past mistakes......the more we will become mature.............and those who are so proud who thinks theirs is perfect........good luck to you.......I hope this will be my last post in this thread..............kay wala na koy pop-corn.....

^^what's your point?..where is the bible clause that specifically states "LO and BEHOLD..YOU CAN ALL SAVE YOUR ARSE FROM THE FIRES OF HELL THRU RELIGION AND FAITH"



nwayz..all i can say is..my religion that is Roman Catholic is far from perfect, and so as the other religion in the universe...why is it that hard to accept? :mrgreen: