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[weedmeister]

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Is the Church really following the teachings of Jesus? Â*


Selling the art to save the sick? why does it have to. Do you mean to say you sell Michaelangelos' frescoes in the Sistine Chapel?

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 12:33 Sell that which you have, and give gifts to the needy. Make for yourselves purses which don't grow old, a treasure in the heavens that doesn't fail, where no thief approaches, neither moth destroys.


Why is the Church that rich in gold? How I wish what you're saying about the wealth of the Church is true so that we could complete the grills and the roof of our chapel.

The Vatican's assets are a well-kept secret but one which is the topic of much speculation. Estimates range from $1.5bn to $15bn and more. http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...685114,00.html

VATICAN ASKS COURT, U.S. GOVERNMENT TO DISMISS LAWSUIT OVER NAZI GOLD Â*:mrgreen: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...aanews-vac.txt

(Now you can fix your chapel! and build 10,000 more! Â*:mrgreen: )


No one is assured of salvation.

Poor you, because in my belief, I am already saved... what belief is that, you ask? well, this might be familiar:

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16)

Salvation is received through faith and through faith alone! The vatican wants you to believe that you have to do good deeds, give your offerings, oh and when you die, someone has to pay your church to pray for your soul, for it is still in PURGATORY. Purgatory was invented by the church (it's not in the bible) so that they could still milk the relatives of the dearly departed.


If I follow your logic, it would be like saying while he was a priest he was a man for God. Â*Now because of his dedication he is elevated to a bishop then it is when the time nga wala na hinoon siya sa Ginoo. Â*DOESNT MAKE SENSE, ISNT IT?

Makes a whole lotta sense bai... we see it everyday in our government. it's called CORRUPTION. their souls get CORRUPTED. as they say, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. but rest easy, most of those priests who really did their time in the slums and in the mountains die poor and unrecognized... Â*:mrgreen:



Those Popes died. Â*Its only up to there that we know. Â*Let us not speculate whats behind their death Â*if we dont have any basis. This is another chismis and black prop.


Dude, are you serious? murdered, clobbered, poisoned, etc... if that's normal in your church... well, wa na jud koy say... Â* hahahahahahaha

[bcasabee]

@weedmeister.....

If we stop listenin from Vatican's........which christian church do you suggest we turn to? which is way way better than the Catholic Church? Sayon ra jud kaayo na nga question ha........bisag i blind fold pa ka ana....matubag jud na nimo...........kung dili ka ka tubag ani bro, disappointed jud ko nimo......kusog baya kaayo ka mo tubag anang tag-as kaayo nga mga questions ni mosimos.......unya ang akoa nuong pwerteng simpola ra....gi ignore lang............

[whiteoleander]

I am not surprised.Â* Weidmeister is master of conspiracy theories. He cashes on it. Where do you read that Pope John Paul I approved contraception?Â* This is another chismis circulating by conspiracy theorists.

Pope is all for money? Think again. This another lie and misconception spread by the enemies of the Church.Â*

The Church has money.Â* Right.Â* The Church has businesses.Â* Right. What do you expect to the Church?Â* Rely on charities? from the Sunday collections.Â* The Church also has to generate income so as not to become another parasite of society.Â* Â*It has to sustain itself as it is striving to help the poor.Â*

Give money to the poor.Â* Yes.Â* We have so many Catholic charities helping the poor and the needy.Â* YOu just dont know them becuae you refuse to know or recognize them to further your dark agenda.Â*

you're right brother mosimos, Pope Paul I NEVER got to approve contraception... why? because he was killed. I guess WIKIPEDIA just made this up:

"He (POPE PAUL I) raised considerable worry within the Vatican when he met with representatives of the United Nations to discuss the issue of overpopulation in the Third World, an issue which was particularly controversial because of the Catholic Church's stance against artificial birth control."

I guess he just wanted to meet with the UN to say "WAZZZZAAAAP?" right? yah, whatever...Â* :mrgreen: damn WIKIPEDIA, such an enemy of the CHURCH!Â*


You said: The Church also has to generate income so as not to become another parasite of society

hahahahaha! yah, can you define parasite brother? a parasite is an organism that feeds of another without giving much in return... now, how many percent of the Vatican's wealth do you think they give to the poor? do you see them giving away their gold to their starving parishioners? do you see them giving their vast lands to their homeless beleivers? do you see them selling their art to save the sick?

So lets say they give 10 percent of their assets to the poor (which they will never do), do you think that's enough? is that in line with Jesus' teachings of "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth" and "No man can serve two masters"? Come on, wake up mosimos. The church exists to amass wealth and power, not to feed the poor, nor to save your soul, because THEY CANNOT EVEN SAVE THEIRS. The church's assets can sustain major countries, so don't think that they are just "surviving" or "getting by".... they are DAMN RICH brother, and you'd better beleive it.

You know who the real christians are? its not the pope, not the cardinals, not the monsignors who are all plump and riding their mercedes, and eating at Tinderbox, and attending grand openings and occassions... it's just not them. the real christians are those priests who go to the mangyans and aetas and teach them about the bible. the real christians are those you find working in the slum areas around the country, trying to better the standard of living, or working hand in hand with the farmers to find new ways to earn money and keep them alive. those are the real christians that CHRIST is looking forward to meeting when the time comes.


So please, don't give me this cr*p about the church not wanting money, and not killing its own. It's the biggest and wealthiest corporation in the world. People would kill for that, they're only human, even if they call themselves holy or they wear fancy robes... deep down they commit the same sins as us, even more so, as they have vowed to be celibate and to shun the trappings of a material life.

just let me laugh please ... and im outa here , its way too funny already , i might choke to death with laughter ... you might want to write a book about your theoriesÂ* sir , who knows , baka mas ma benta pa yong book mo keysa kay sa mga libritos ni bob ong ...

i'd bet you are follower ofÂ* Jack T. Chick , good luck . ciao !

[enlighten]

sometimes its too easy to laugh at the church, to easy to question the church beliefs, to easy to judge its teaching and doctrines, to easy to point a finger to its shortcoming, yes everything is easy because we are all imperfect human beings made perfect by God's love...yes i know roman catholicism has many flaws and weaknesses coz it's only made and interpreted by man to his understanding but then again if ur a true catholic by heart y question ur religion when some of the people i know from other religion have great respect for their religion...sayang puro catolico magdaot sa isig catolico nwe if ur not a catholic ur entitle to ur own opinion...

@tamblot -- dats y i got my nick in d 1st place....to share enlightenment to others....

[at8n1981]

waaaahhhhh paghimo nalang mo ug nu church oiiist.....

[shoeless_rebel]

i guess i am the only one here who agrees with weedmeister. but i think i'm gonna sit this one out.

weedmeister: bro... u have to realize that there is no point in debating with vatican fanatics. there will be no end to this. this debate started 2000 years ago and wala gyapon na human so lets not expect it to end anytime soon bro. but i'm with you on this issue bro... i just can't find any reason to participate. hehehehehe...

*paki pasa sa pop corn beh... thrilling na ayo dah!

[Gwynhuever]

^^ shoeless ..naa pa ko oi *raises hand up*...pero nag hilom na lang jud ko bro ug nag enjoy ug basa sa lantugi....

[shoeless_rebel]

aw! hehehehe... limot ko ni ate gwyn

*passes the pop corn and soda to ate gwyn

[bcasabee]

Me too.....I very much agree with the historical accounts weedmeister had presented..........but tell me man........the japanese imperial army had done atrocities to us too during world war II......do you still hate the Japanese man....? Well......What I just want to know which Christian Church is way way better than the Catholic Church, in every aspects, political power, financial power, number of faithful, organizational maturity(she existed since the ancients right? then it should be a very very mature organization cause it learned so much through time) etc etc ........

i guess i am the only one here who agrees with weedmeister. but i think i'm gonna sit this one out.

weedmeister: bro... u have to realize that there is no point in debating with vatican fanatics. there will be no end to this. this debate started 2000 years ago and wala gyapon na human so lets not expect it to end anytime soon bro. but i'm with you on this issue bro... i just can't find any reason to participate. hehehehehe...

*paki pasa sa pop corn beh... thrilling na ayo dah!

[at8n1981]

pasahi pud ko ninyo sa popcorn wui!