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    kanang bibliya nimo pein asa mana gikan? di ba sa katoliko mana unya ang katoliko gikan mana sa pagan religion...sa ato pa...pagano sad na inyong practice!

    So, Christianity which includes the CULT OF INGKONG (Cult of Eli Soriano) kay gikan sa pagan religion!

    Igo gihapon ka pein!
    Last edited by regnauld; 12-29-2009 at 05:23 PM.

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    ngano kaha g'himo pa ang pagan sa ginoo? pagano kaha ang ginoo? or ignorante ra ta mao na pardonable

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    ..eli soriano... hay hehe ^^ he does have followers and believers too...

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    how does ELI SORIANO define FACT? let him define FACT according to the Bible and it would be indeed, a fact. fact! this to him, is hard to believe... and i quote:

    "It is hard to believe that “three kings” will travel alone on such a considerable distance on a winter."
    this to Eli Soriano is very hard to believe. the same Eli Soriano who believes that Adam and Eve lived on this earth for over 500 years. now, which is harder to believe? this guy's mind is twisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    how does ELI SORIANO define FACT? let him define FACT according to the Bible and it would be indeed, a fact. fact! this to him, is hard to believe... and i quote:



    this to Eli Soriano is very hard to believe. the same Eli Soriano who believes that Adam and Eve lived on this earth for over 500 years. now, which is harder to believe? this guy's mind is twisted.
    You are right bro. ELi has contradicted himself many times especially when the bible said... Anything is possible and eli doesn't believe that “three kings” can travel alone on such a considerable distance on a winter and yet the bible says...anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    You are right bro. ELi has contradicted himself many times especially when the bible said... Anything is possible and eli doesn't believe that “three kings” can travel alone on such a considerable distance on a winter and yet the bible says...anything is possible.
    mao gyud. sakspan gihapon si INGKONG! bisag unsaon ug lusot, dakpan gihapon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightBearer View Post
    gi connect na pod ang Catholicism sa pagan religion. Tanan man sigoro Religion naai influence from paganism. As what I have understood, ang paganism gud is not only a religion but a way of life, there is nothing wrong sigoro ana noh, ang gi pa avoid lang sa bible is kanang witchcraft ,idolatry and immoral values.

    kana bitaw FIRE and cooking gikan bitaw na sa paganism. kana pod sing sing nga isol-ob sa ikasal, pagan practice man pod na, irrigation, civilization gikan na sa ancient religion nga gi consider ninyo nga paganism.

    so kong e connect nimo ang katoliko sa pagano tungod sa ilang pag celebrate og christmas w/c is has a resemblance of pagan culture then sigoro maka conclude pod ta nga ikaw pod pein and even si eli na influenced pod sa pagan culture.
    Bro there's nothing wrong with using an object to show something in the end the point is the way they worshipped there false God, you adopt whats good to be true and imong i luwa ang bukog that's the case nga angay nato hunahunaon...

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    by Bro. Eli

    Christmas – allegedly the birth of Christ – is celebrated in almost all parts of the globe on the 25th of December yearly: a joyful season whose celebrants are ignorant children.

    I came from a family of eight (me being the 7th). Being always “borrowed” from my family by my childless auntie Toyang and Lola (grandma) Pilar, who, being two devout Catholics, love me as much as my mother did.I can still remember looking for a big sock before I sleep at around 7 or 8 o’clock at the evening of December 24 each year at my aunt’s house. I feel very much at home at my aunt’s house, especially during the Christmas season, where I was excited for the coming of Santa Claus. In our house there is no image of Santa Clause, nor are they waiting for his arrival. My mother became a member of the Church of God as early as 1934. Since then, they have stopped celebrating Christmas like they used to do when they were Catholics. My father and mother were devout Catholics. Until age 17, the coming of the Christmas season lifts my spirit yearly because my aunt and grandma taught me that this is the “greatest time of the year” being the supposed “birthday” of our Lord Jesus Christ. I have learned to respect the Christ of the Catholic Church – ignorantly. In my aunt’s house there was a big statue (even bigger than me) which they call the “sacred heart of Jesus”. I was taught to give the outmost reverence on this statue. I have to bow down my head when I walk in front of it and I cannot even point my finger towards it, which I deeply regret upon knowing the true Christ of the Bible.

    The morning of December 25 is a special morning for me because I wake up with gifts inside and around the sock which I hang the night before at the window. Today, as I reminisce the past, I see a pitiful boy in me fifty-seven years ago; but more pitiful are those who have died not knowing what Christmas is and all the practices surrounding its celebration. I am lucky (thank God) to have found wisdom in the most educational book to follow – the Bible.

    The story begins from Caesar Augustus that the entire world should be taxed (Luke2:1):

    “And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.”

    Joseph and Mary, being from the tribe of David, have to travel from Galilee to Bethlehem (which is called the city of David) to be “enrolled” and taxed. This was the particular time of the year when Mary should deliver the child Jesus (Luke 2:3-7).

    “And all went to be enrolled, each to his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to be delivered. And she gave birth to her first-born son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths, and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.”

    On that same evening, the evangelist Luke tells us that there were shepherds in the fields watching over their flock to whom the angels announce the birth of the savior Jesus Christ (Luke 2:8-11).

    “And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.”

    At this juncture, let us pause for a while and think. Could all of these happen on the 25th of December?

    No roman emperor as wise as Caesar Augustus (refuted to have changed the political and financial system of the Roman Empire to start a “new order”, which firmly established the empire for the next two centuries and was called as the “Golden Age of Rome’s Empire”), will order a census for thre purposes of taxation ,on December or in winter – rendering it impossible for Christ to be born on December 25 when the landscape of the Holy Land was filled with snow, making it very difficult to travel. Using simple common sense, no shepherd will bring out his sheep at night when fields were covered with knee-deep snow. The infamous “three kings”, which term, incidentally, were not mentioned in the Bible, wouldn’t have traveled to look for a new-born baby – on a winter! (Matthew 2:1-6)

    “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet, and thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.”

    It is hard to believe that “three kings” will travel alone on such a considerable distance on a winter.

    David, being a king that he is, travels with six hundred men with him. It is a pitiful sight to behold “three kings” travelling all by themselves. (1 Samuel 23:13)

    “Then David and his men, which were about six hundred, arose and departed out of Keilah, and went whithersoever they could go. And it was told Saul that David was escaped from Keilah; and he forbore to go forth.”

    The complex errors created by the Catholic celebration of Christmas have gone too far in influencing even supposedly intelligent composers and songwriters. The First Noel has a very beautiful melody, but has disgusting lyrics influenced by the ignorance of the Catholics belief on Christmas. The line “on a cold winter’s night that was so deep” made stupid out of the shepherd by bringing their flock on a winter’s night.

    “The First Noel, the Angels did say

    Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay

    In fields where they lay keeping their sheep

    On a cold winter’s night that was so deep.

    Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel

    Born is the King of Israel!”

    To add insult to the ignorance, the church in Rome assigned the birth of Jesus on December 25 which was the feast of the pagan sun god of the Roman Empire.

    Christian Overlays of Christmas

    Two important contributions that the reign of Constantine wrought were the establishments of the dates of Christmas and Easter. However, neither holidays are unique and original to the church, they are overlays of much earlier traditions, and both are connected to the sun, the former to the winter solstice and the latter to the vernal equinox. Again, the passage of the sun across the ecliptic demonstrates the astronomical motif that has been grafted onto the Christian god.

    Constantine may not have completely established the date of Christmas, but what is clear is that he had considerable influence in setting the date of December 25 as Christ’s birthday. After Constantine’s victory, in perhaps 320 or 353 C.E. the church decreed that December 25 would become the standard day of observance for the birth of Christ. However, this date had long been recognized in antiquity as the return of the sun, for in ancient times, before the establishment of the Gregorian calendar, December 25 was the date of the winter solstice, the point when the sun has reached its southern most trek below the equator, where it appears to stand still for three days…

    …Pope Julius I, in the fourth century commanded a committee of bishops to establish the date of the nativity of Jesus. December 25 (the day of Sol Invictus, the invincible sun) was decided upon. Not coincidentally, that is the day when the “pagan world celebrated the birth of their Sun Gods-Egyptian Osiris, Greek Apollo and Bacchus, Chaldean Adonis, Persian Mithra-when the Zodiacal sign of Virgo (the sun is born of a virgin) rose on the horizon. Thus the ancient festival of the Winter Solstice, the pagan festival of the birth of the Sun, came to be adopted by the Christian Church as the nativity of Jesus, and was called Christmas” (Crosbie). The church found itself:


    Christ, Constantine, Sol Invictus

    The wise men (not the three kings) followed a star (not hanging on a “tree” because there was no tree associated with the birth of Jesus) to locate the baby Jesus on a house and not on a manger because no loving parents would let their new-born baby to tarry on manger. They eventually moved to a house as the crowd that came to Bethlehem who filled all the inns during the height of the census period presumably have turned back home. (Matthew 2:9-11)

    “When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshiped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.”

    The facts about…

    Christmas tree



    Santa Claus



    The errors that resulted from ignorance on facts are uncorrectable. Until today, Santa Clause dominates the landscape on Christmas season. Catholics were not duly informed of the disappearance of Santa Clause in their roster of saints. If we are to adopt the international concept of Ignorantia juris non excusat , which historically came from the Roman Empire itself, many Roman Catholics will be losing their salvation because of a belief on a false Christ born on a false date, surrounded with false teachings, and a celebration so highly commercialized — unreachable by the poor for whom the real Christ was born for; but, ignorance is pardonable upon the acceptance of truth.

    This topic to follow God willing.

    Truly yours in Christ,

    Bro. Eliseo Fernando Soriano

    Ignorance is Pardonable Eliseo Soriano
    tracesable ra man ang DEc 25. nga mao ang Christmas bro... ayaw i connect anang lain nga mga gods... it was clearly stated and can be trace in Tradition... there are 2 source of Truth.. the Holy Tradition and the Holy Bible...thousand of years the padayun ang Church govern only by tradition..ulahi ra nang Bible gihimo...
    i will ask you, naa kahay macompile nga Bible ug walay tradition? hunahunaa kuno ninyo ug maayo?... then naa kaha moy Bible ug Wala pa gipacompile sa Catholic?
    kung wala pay Bible siguro, la unta daghan lain christians in faith mang gawas uf kalit...
    try to study and trace your religion first before you make any statement against other religion..
    la pa gani ka kahibalo unsay tinuod nga religion quote na dayun mo about sa practice sa Catholic...
    trace your religion then ug madescover nimo sa dili mao ang Catholic ang gitukod ni Christ Himself Through Saint Peter, then sayup ko........
    +if We Catholics are Ignorant of the truth like you said, it is our fault,. why we Believe, Respect & Love our Religion.....we practice only what is taught provided that it is not against Faith an Morals...if sayop man gani mi then maimpyerno mi tanan la man mi magpresume nga sa amo pagka Catholic malangit na mi tanan, we just Hope and Pray for our salvation and Conversion of heretics and unbelievers+

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    lets pray for the conversion of unbelievers and heretics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightBearer View Post
    wala man sigoro ko ni ingon nga religious practice ng pagluto karon, but sigoro saona religous practice na kay kana bitaw mo hunt sila saona matud pa sa obang pagan practice is they pray first before they go out and kill the prey then mag pasalamat na sila sa mother nature sa mga pagkaon ilang maluto anang adlawa. osahay ila pod ng e offer ang ilang food sa pagan dieties para magpasalamat.
    aw giampuan man diay unya gi offer sa pagan gods natural paganism jud na. pero kung mag hunt sila unya wala gi offer sa mga gods paganism diay na? chur lagi bro...

    sa bible di ba katong after nag hunt si kinsa Abel iya gi offer iyang meat ba to nya si Cain gi offer niya kay veggies and fruits ba to?

    Cain and Abel, the firstborn of mankind, offered sacrifices in worship to God. Cain offered the fruit of his labors from the field while Abel offered the fruit of his labors from the flock. Abel and his worship were accepted by God while Cain and his offering were rejected. We read: "In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel brought of the firstlings of the flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard" (Gen. 4:3-5).

    kini naa pod ni siyay resemblance sa pagan practice di ba.
    unya kanang gi offer ni Cain ug ni Abel gi offer diay na nila sa pagan god? chur lagi...

    ikaw pein dili ka magpasalamt sa Ginoo nga naa kay maluto nga pagkaon karong adlawa?
    magpasalamat pero nakahibaw ko kung kinsa nga Ginoo ang akong pasalamatan...muingon napud ka paganism ang akong gibuhat? chur oi!

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