Forget Jesus, Judas went to hell for you.

[melbox]

---

ana lng na if kita duha mamatay, tapos ako mitoo, then ikaw wala... kinsa alkansi?

[bigcrunch1234]

*Well this means that you can make your own religion someday it is clearly specified in your name 'godlessandfree'.


*Jesus NEVER EVER RELIED TO DEVIL no matter at the greatest temptation Satan ever did to Jesus.

The Temptation of Jesus for Forty Days in the Desert Mat 4:1-11

See also the parallel passages here: Mark 1:9-13, Luke 4:1-14. These are some sermon notes I made on the temptations of Jesus. They will need expanding.
Context:

• Jesus just been baptized and he is full of the Spirit (Luke 4:1)
• He has just been affirmed Son of God by the Father, who loves him and is pleased with him (Mat 3:17)
• He is driven into the desert by the Spirit (Mat 4:1)
• He is tempted personally by the devil himself not a demon (Mat 4:1, 3)
• If Jesus failed the temptation the mission would be aborted
• After the temptations Jesus returns to Galilee in the power of the Spirit (Luke 4:14)
• We find the Son, the Spirit and the father (and the devil) all acting in this section
• While the spirit leads Jesus into the desert it is the devil who does the tempting, that’s his job

First temptation:

(Mat 4:1-11 NIV) Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. {2} After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. {3} The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." {4} Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

This temptation is aimed at Jesus physical hunger, his humanity.
It was a temptation for Jesus to use his sonship in a way inconsistent with his God-ordained mission (Carson). Later, he would feed five thousand other with the five loaves of bread and two fishes to feed others (Mat 14:19). Just as God gave the Israelites bread from heaven, Jesus was the true bread from heaven (John 6:32-35)

• After the glory of the baptism experience comes the desert experience
• Jesus was led by the Spirit, it is part of Gods plan for Jesus to be tempted Heb 2:10, Heb 2:18, Heb 4:15, to be like his brothers and a great high priest
• It is also a preparation for subsequent ministry (preaching Mat 4:17, healing Mat 4:23 and teaching ministry Mat 5:2)
• The desert is the abode of demons and where Israel was tested for forty years c.f. 40 days (Heb 3:9), they rebelled but Jesus submits to the Spirit
• 40 days is longest man can fast without permanent injury, he had water cf. Luke 4:2
• The forty days in the desert parallels the forty years wandering in the desert of the Israelites, they ate manna (Exo 16:35) to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. Deu 8:2
• Devil (v1) means slanderer, in verse 3 he is called tempter, in verse 10 he is called Satan (accuser)
• The tempter (v3. peirazo is used here not diabolos) comes to Jesus when he is weak (hungry) and uses food to tempt him to do a miracle (the devil fights where we are weakest)
• We see Jesus in his humanity, he was hungry, Satan is tempting him to call upon his divine qualities outside of Gods will
• Contrast this with Adam eating the fruit in the garden
• Note the use of "If you are the Son of God" tempting Christ to authenticate his deity, Jesus had just been affirmed Son of God in Mat 3:17 "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." What is the motivation of the devil here? (check D A Carson)
• Jesus answers (each time) using scripture Deut 8:3, we should fight temptation with the word of God.
• 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (expand on this, what does it mean and how do we apply it)
• Once again (twice) the word of God is mentioned (expand) Mat 4:4 It is written,… but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. Jesus equates the written word with the actual word that God speaks.
• Application note: Satan tempts Jesus at the start of his ministry, we should expect the same, so that our ministry will not be unfruitful.

Second temptation:

{5} Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. {6} "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'" {7} Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

This temptation is aimed to make Jesus use his divine power wrongly i.e. His deity:

• Note the use of "If you are the Son of God" tempting Christ to authenticate his deity by a miracle
• The devil knows his bible Psa 91:11-12
• Jesus answers using scripture Deu 6:16
• The devil is tempting Jesus to put God to the test, should we drink poison to test God? Mark 16:18 More examples here… (how do we put God to the test)
• Jesus has more than twelve legions of angels at his disposal Mat 26:53 (a Roman legion is 6,000)
• In Mat 4:11 having overcome the temptations angels do indeed minister to him

Third temptation:

{8} Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. {9} "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." {10} Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'" {11} Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Luke 4:6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.

This temptation is aimed to get Jesus to achieve his mission without the cross.

• The kingdoms of the world belong to the devil Luke 4:6, 1 John 5:19, Jesus did not dispute this, at the seventh trumpet the kingdom of this world will finally belong to God Rev 11:15 also 1 Cor 15:24
• The devil has always wanted worship, Rev 13:4
• This would be idolatry if Jesus worshiped the devil, we are to worship God Rev 22:9
• The devil's offer side steps the suffering of the cross, eventually the whole world will be Christ's, Rev 11:15
• In Rev 13:2 Satan will give the Antichrist his power and his throne and great authority.
• Jesus answers using scripture (Deu 6:13) he answers Satan with the word of God which is the sword of the spirit (Eph 6:17)
• "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'" Note the word "Satan" here means accuser
• Jesus tells Satan to go away, using the word of God and the devil slinks away.
• Peter also tells Jesus that he will not die on the cross and Jesus answers him "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." Mat 16:23
• We are to worship God and serve only him (application)
• Then angels minister to him, cf. Mat 4:6 when Jesus refused the use of angels, they probably feed him as well cf. the first temptation
• Luke 4:13 adds "When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time." For example using Peter (Mat 16:23), normally the devil uses humans.
• Now, in the power of the Spirit (Luke 4:14), Jesus starts his preaching Mat 4:17, healing Mat 4:23 and teaching ministry Mat 5:2. He began in the Spirit and emerges out the desert experience in the Power of the Spirit

Because Jesus resisted these temptations, through Jesus subsequent ministry the kingdom of Satan would be progressively plundered. In the end Satan will be consigned to the lake of fire.

Mat 12:29 "Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

(Luke 10:18 NIV) He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Luke 13:16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"

(John 12:31-32 NIV) Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. {32} But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

Also through the gospel the kingdom of Satan will be plundered.

(Acts 26:17-18 NIV) I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them {18} to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Final thought:
We need the full armor of God to take our stand at Satan's devices, see Eph 6:10-17. Note we stand against Satan (Paul uses the word stand four times). In verse 17 we see that the sword of the Spirit, is the word of God and the temptations of Jesus illustrate how He used the word of God.
(Eph 6:10-17 NIV) Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. {11} Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. {12} For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. {13} Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. {14} Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, {15} and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. {16} In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. {17} Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
End note:
Peter uses the term " Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. " Here I think Peter is alluding to persecution. This should be familiar from Rev 13:

Rev 13:7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Rev 13:10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The wiles of the devil include deception and persecution.





*What a great lie.Jesus committed suicide?
Jesus is an upright man He can never ever do such a thing that fools do.

*God created human to give a free will not to be like a controlled robots.

*Judas committed suicide in his OWN WILL.

*Judas did not died for the sin of us but Jesus the one that died on the cross.Jesus did bear His own cross he was kicked,spitted,and gave vinegar to drink.He did die just for our sins.


Make your way upright in the sight of the Lord.

I'll give you an evidence why I answered your question.

Isaiah 8:20 (King James Version)


20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



Bretheren,I hope this helps a little bit.

[WEI?]

Wow?! dis-agree ko ani na thread bahalag una pa nang ipanulti na daotan sa Ginoo dili jud ko mutuo ana...I believe in one God!!!

-WEI?

[maddox_pitt]

Wow?! dis-agree ko ani na thread bahalag una pa nang ipanulti na daotan sa Ginoo dili jud ko mutuo ana...I believe in one God!!!

-WEI?

sakto gyud.... ayaw padala sa way Ginoo... religion doesn't even matter... basta mutuo ra sa Ginoo

[cptn_star]

religion cant save you...it's you'r acceptance of God's offer to save you that does...

[miyay]

murag bag-o ra ka nakahuman ug tan-aw sa nat geo ana TS

katong ilang docu sa lost gospel of judas, na intriga sad ko ato. pero, kapoi na ug tuo2x oi wa na gale koy gi tuohan

saw that episode too. daghan diay faces ang christianity. one of which is the gnostics

[maddox_pitt]

religion cant save you...it's you'r acceptance of God's offer to save you that does...

religion as in organized established religioN?yeah.. they can't save you...

pero in its real essence, religion is a way of life... it's how you live your life...your philosophies, that's your religion...(accdg to webster's dictionary it is "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith")..so your religion (ergo faith, principles, philosophies from w/c you base the way of life that you lead) can save you...

[WEI?]

For me I dont believe in any of that!!! I just wanna live my life together with God!!!
Analysis makes life confusing...but if you look in a brighter way life is very amazing if you live your life!!

-WEI?

[godlessandfree]

to believe in christianity, we would have to believe that god sacrificed his son(himself gihapon LOL), to himself... not only do the words of john 3:16 make no sense at all, it is utterly immoral. no father would ever let his son die. if there really is a one true god, atheism would be so much less an insult to him than religion. when we talk about god, diba absolute man dapat? the fact alone that i, among many others can think of a more loving, compassionate god; the fact alone that he/she/they/it cannot be good enough for everyone, just shows that this god the people seem to think they know is not true.... it is as simple as that. if you cannot bring yourself to understand that, then you will never get it...

to say that there even is a god who loves us and cares for us, when in reality, millions of innocent children are dying IN HIS NAME, is so selfish, so heartless and so inhuman... that to even try and think of reasons to spare god from blame, is such an insult to our dignity. we do not need god for morality, in fact, if there really is a god, it would destroy morality and ethics because every action would be done for a reward or for fear.

these religious people claim to preach love and compassion, when in reality all they practice is intolerance and exclusion. it gives 'hope' kuno, bullshit. religion only gives hope to a world torn apart by religion. do these people really believe that christianity will unite the world and bring peace? to believe so would be so naive, they cannot even see how they christians is divided amongst themselves.

whatever experiences you think you've had. whatever it is you think you may have seen, felt, or heard, does not prove god, it only proves the existence of your own brain. faith is not a good thing, it is just a word telling you not to understand and just believe the lies these cults are teaching.

what exactly has your god ever told you, that you could not have possibly known? can your god tell you who my real name is? where i live and how much i know?

these religious people, who are so gay for jesus, have lost their sense of reality. they can no longer tell what is fact and what is fantasy. change the word miracle into magic and you've got the same thing. that to even argue about how these words are slightly different is a 10th grade substitute.

religion is ridiculous. they do not even know who this jesus character really is. you have all been lied to. unfortunatley, these people are too afraid to search for the truth. they are so well indoctrinated, and brainwashed that they do not even realize how deluded and ignorant it is to believe in the supernatural. to believe in someone who knows when you are sleeping, who knows when your awake, who knows if you've been bad or good, is the same thing in believing that santa claus exists. it is so mind-numbing and sad that these people, when ridiculed would think that it's ok. cz jesus told them it'll happen. WAKE UP! because nothing in that holy book you are reading is true. it should even be called HOLEY because thats what it's filled with. a bunch of holes...

if you really believe in the doctrine of original sin, and believe in jesus christ, that he died for you and all that wishful thinking, then shame on you. if your god really died for us, it doesn't matter whether we believe or not, cz if god really did send his son to die for us, we would then have nothing to worry about.

if there really is a one true god, he would love atheists more than christians. our disbelief wouldn't matter. he/she/it/they might even say to themselves that: "atleast atheists know, i am better than what these believers think of me"

it is useless trying to reason with these people. if christianity is so true, if it really is god's word, then why does it fail? was the bible written to save us, deceive us, or confuse us? just because the book says it's true, does not mean it is. you have no idea what your religion is all about, and who you are really praying to.

if you cannot think for yourself then no wonder you believe in a god. if you think you know who the real jesus is, think again. you have no idea who jesus' life was based on.

2000 years of deception... what a shame.

dont expect me to reply to whatver childish arguments you can bring. when one knows the truth, arguing is such a waste of time.

we who have uncovered the truth, live in a world beyond your world.

the story of jesus' life really was based on someone but its not who you think it is and the story is exaggerated and in fact, was written as a joke by brilliant people in such a way that only the ones who know the truth can understand.

i will leave it up to you to figure it out... that's if you can.

maybe your god can tell you who jesus really is. lol.

all the faith in the world will not reveal the answer to the lie you are living...

the truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.

[Kenshiro]

All lot of people would willingly go to hell even right now for money not only Judas