Water as engine fuel anyone?

[vernie]

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Other than funding, ang panahon ang usa sa pinakadako nga kulang para ma implement nimo ni. Pero naa ra gyud na nimo kung imong gahihan ug panahon sama sa imong pag gahin ug panahon sa ubang buluhaton.

sa kron nga panahon murag lisod pa nga iconsider nga complete nga alternative fuel ang water. pang sumplement lng cguro. ug makalugar ko in the near future ganahan jud ko itest ni myself.

[moklo]

para lng nako ha, murag lisod jud ni cya i-implement kay, need mangud sa tao ang "water" then kung mao ni ang gamiton sa mga automobiles, basin magkulang ang supply. naa na baya part sa cebu nga walay supply nga water (i.e. like sa amo-a. mo-agas lng inig gabii then walay tubig whole day)

Bro dili ang tubig ang kulang sa inyo kundi ang pump jud mismo.... kay ang tubig naa rna sa ilawom sa yuta for free ha!

[insect111]

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H2 Volume varies a lot depending on temperature and pressure so:
The only two data on density i found is as follows.

@0 C, 1 atm = H2 density is 0.08988 g/L;

111 g H2 ( 1 L / 0.08988 ) = 1235 Liters H2 / 1 Liter H2O


@-252.87 C = H2 Density is = 68 kg / m3

111 g H2 ( 1 kg / 1000 g) ( 1 m3 / 67.8 kg) ( 1000 L / m3) = 1.63 Liter H2 / 1 Liter H2O

I think from those numbers H2 is i think harder to compress than say oxygen.

OT:

what numbers bro? you mean the density you have given? for comparison, the following are the density of some common gaseous fuels at standard temperature and pressure:


(density in kg/m3)

hydrogen - H2 - 0.0899
oxygen - O2 - 1.4290
propane - C3H8 - 1.882 (@ 20°C)
butane - C4H10 - 2.500

hydrogen gas has a large specific volume (the inverse of density), meaning it occupies a lot of space for a certain mass. even though hydrogen has a large heating value, it has a very low critical temperature and high critical pressure (compared to the other three gases), which is why it is difficult to store large amounts of this gas in tanks. propane/butane, or LPG, can easily be liquefied. at the same volume (e.g. volume of an 11-kg LPG tank), the mass of LPG that can be stored is much greater than the same volume filled with compressed hydrogen gas. thus the amount of energy that can be supplied by the propane/butane mixture is higher.

hydrogen - 141.80MJ/kg (higher heating value)
LPG - 46.1MJ/kg (higher heating value)

also, hydrogen "interacts with many metals to reduce their ductility":

Hydrogen Embrittlement of Metals: Atomic hydrogen from a variety of sources reduces the ductility of many metals -- Rogers 159 (3819): 1057 -- Science

[poyka18]

Bro vernie , maau kay naa kay time ug funding cguro ani. padayon bro sa imong nindot nga project kay if ma perfect na nimo pataod unya mi. Panahon na cguro nga ma amend ang ubang law sa thermodynamics kay morag naa man pod to laing topic about sa fuel less generator nga makausab sad sa ubang law sa physics. more power..

[neoraising]

lisod man na ang water gyud ang ibutang directly sa car..hasol na kau if butangan pjud nmo ug electrolyzing mechanism ang car....on the matter of the inefficiency of hydrogen production and storage, wouldn't all these problems be moot if the energy we used to extract hydrogen is free,renewable and clean?..i can't believe no one has stopped and come to think of this..for example, what if the power generated by solar,tidal,wind and other various renewables was used to separate hydrogen from water? the question of efficiency wouldn't be such a factor since the energy we use is basically limitless. mind you..this thought can not only be applied to hydrogen production but we can also apply this in desalinization plants(the energy required for reverse osmosis would come from renewable sources)..think about hitting two birds with one stone..

[ix-888]

lisod man na ang water gyud ang ibutang directly sa car..hasol na kau if butangan pjud nmo ug electrolyzing mechanism ang car....on the matter of the inefficiency of hydrogen production and storage, wouldn't all these problems be moot if the energy we used to extract hydrogen is free,renewable and clean?..i can't believe no one has stopped and come to think of this..for example, what if the power generated by solar,tidal,wind and other various renewables was used to separate hydrogen from water? the question of efficiency wouldn't be such a factor since the energy we use is basically limitless. mind you..this thought can not only be applied to hydrogen production but we can also apply this in desalinization plants(the energy required for reverse osmosis would come from renewable sources)..think about hitting two birds with one stone..

Very excellent thought you have sir !

[pepau]

problema man gud sa pag kakron aning clean and renewable source of energy kay pirte kamahal compared sa fossil fuels.

[ix-888]

i think initially mahal xa tungod sa capital pra sa machinery but in the long run dili kaha mas cheaper kay dili nman mogasto after ma-put up? keysa magsige og palit sa fossil fuels? asa kahay mas barato bro?

[vernie]

sukol man gani ang mga tao mag pataud ug LPG kit with dako dako nga initial cost for the kit thinking makabarato sila sa cost sa per liter sa LPG, unsa kaha kung ang cost sa per liter sama nalang sa cost sa tubig sa gripo (less than 50 pesos per cubic meter)? Unsa kaha kung ulan nalang gyud ang kuhaan sa tubig? Unsa kaha kung sa dagat nalang mokuha ug tubig?

i think initially mahal xa tungod sa capital pra sa machinery but in the long run dili kaha mas cheaper kay dili nman mogasto after ma-put up? keysa magsige og palit sa fossil fuels? asa kahay mas barato bro?

check this video, eye opener pud ni nga something not the usual is very possible (related sa using water to run an engine):
Baron New Energy introduction video (Joe Cell)

7:23 nga part sa video gipakita giyab-an ug tubig ang carburetor but the engine keeps on running.


reference page:
http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/i...itle=Main_Page

[mister00incredible]

WATER is Life.....nindut paminawon.... pero kung... WATER is Fuel.... lain paminawon