Would Time Dilation slow down Cognition (ala Twins Paradox)?

[simoncpu]

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psychologer.

rocker ko bai!!

punk rock? emo man na gihapon bai! hehehe...

[vanschen]

Hey! With all due respect, I am not trying to undermine anything. My point is general which is seen in many many people. hehe! The point I am driving at is scientific attitude. I always look for references for assumptions or explanations given by other people in this case you. You just can't thoroughly stand on a judgement like as if you are trained to do so. In short, we should also behave according to what we truly know. I don't know a lot about string theory. In fact, you probably know more concept that I do. And I don't want to bother myself with string theory as of now because I'm not there yet. But I guess you are right. We are just having fun. hehehe! Imagining... Thinking of wild possibilities. Time dilation.... My main argument was just about theories that provide tangible results. that's all... String theory has not been proven yet. So like I said, we will never really know about approaching the speed of light. All the things minus string theory suggest that it isn't possible.



I have to admit I'm still struggling with what I am doing right now. hehe It's really a shame. Anyway, what I mean is that, I can derive and explain uncertainty principle for other quantum observables. Like for example, in Quantum Optics, the amplitude and phase of an electromagnetic field have the same uncertainly analogous to position and momentum. But this still even baffles me up to this point, I still kneel to professors. hehe

I don't mean any disrespect to you. In fact, I really admire your enthusiasm on the subject matter that is why I always try to share what I know. And I don't say anything about what I don't know or don't understand very well. Just be careful about bold statements and conclusions because we are not string theory experts here. I could also be wrong with what all the things I said. hahaha! I'm also here to learn. Let's all try to have a scientific attitude. If possible, let's post references to our ideas. In the scientific world, you can be persecuted like hell for not citing references for your statements. I've been through this before and now. I behave to much like a scientist. And we are all not scientists here. sorry for that. hehe! peace!

Mainstream science can sometimes be also over hyped. Like the term singularity, it always gave a mysterious essence to it. But when you really learn about it, professors just use it as a tool and give no spotlight to it. I was ecstatic when my teachers explain simply about singularities. They were just like, "what's wrong with you? It's just mathematics." hahaha! It may be possible to travel to the speed of light in the future. Who knows, year years years years ago they said that colored cellphones are impossible. hehehehe! When you are a scientist, your imagination is limited to the physical laws constraining your imagination. And eventually theses imaginations eventually expand to practical objects that we use everyday. Unfortunately, we are in no position to make imaginations that can make breakthroughs. But who knows.. hehehehe

One thing is for sure, string theory if proven, will be the greatest triumph of mankind in history. Or it could just turn out to be a misunderstanding. hahaha My own personal opinion is as follows. Everytime, we discover something know like a a new theory to explain something, some other problem always comes out. When Schrodinger formulated QM, he said to his students that they should find new problems to solve like in biology because he thought that physics has been solved. All of it. It turns out that everytime something new is discovered a new problem always arises that needs further research. What I believe is that if string theory is ever confirmed, soon enough it will also lead to new problems and questions the are yet to be answered. hehehe Science rules! hehe

exactly!! the thread is really of imagination or hypothetical-like since [for the time being - MY OPINION!!] no object yet can go faster than light. but if i sounded like i was making conclusions out of my imagination, i only said that "MAO MAKA INGON KO..." which was as a contradiction to your statement which of course is backed up by theory and mathematics. you can say its a conclusion but i would say it as an EXPRESSION OF MY VIEW and OPINION. maybe i was carried away by my imagination when i said that "not necessarily the one stated above!". im just lucky that ur a good natured person. if it were somebody else which i know some here are, im sure have been already attacked personally!! maybe it was offensive for you and for the unknown silent readers thats why i think it would be necessary for me to APOLOGIZE. anyways what i was trying to say there or imply was [if not obvious to some] that im a strong believer of the Many Worlds Hypothesis!! and i hope this makes sense!!


ahhh. your saying is that there are other ways to derive the UP. its not limited to the Heisenberg microscope. did i get it right? WoW! QM and possibilities!!!!


well i stated Brian Greene's book the Elegant Universe! but the wild idea that i stated, well do i count as a reference? hahahahahaha. of course to prove it would be another thing ky cgurado naa say uban naka hunahuna ana. 6+ billion people and ako ray naka hunahuna? OHH C'MON!! kapoy rasad uy kng i state tanan reference na although scientific ang topic dli mani dissertation or something. pro at least u gave me an idea or a glimpse of what the real scientific world is!


its like the singularity doesnt have any physical significance. this kind of statements sometimes causes me confusion since physics is of reality. its like saying, we are physicists and what we do predicts everything in the universe with the limits imposed by the UP but the singularity only resides in the mathematical world and is just a mere mathematical curiosity. or something like that. hehehe.


i love the last sentence in your 2nd to the last paragraph. YEAH!! ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE!!!! and probability ,as iv read, implies that no matter how improbable it is, SOMEHOW IT HAPPENS! ehehehehe.

thats also what Lord Kelvin said about physics. we know now that both he and Prof. Schrodinger are incorrect. with the age of the universe in billions we will never know when the end of physics will be. for now i just have to imagine!

end of the topic and Thread!

Mr. Fritz thank you for your replies as sure it has helped me in many ways. uv been very kind.

[fritzd]

exactly!! the thread is really of imagination or hypothetical-like since [for the time being - MY OPINION!!] no object yet can go faster than light. but if i sounded like i was making conclusions out of my imagination, i only said that "MAO MAKA INGON KO..." which was as a contradiction to your statement which of course is backed up by theory and mathematics. you can say its a conclusion but i would say it as an EXPRESSION OF MY VIEW and OPINION. maybe i was carried away by my imagination when i said that "not necessarily the one stated above!". im just lucky that ur a good natured person. if it were somebody else which i know some here are, im sure have been already attacked personally!! maybe it was offensive for you and for the unknown silent readers thats why i think it would be necessary for me to APOLOGIZE. anyways what i was trying to say there or imply was [if not obvious to some] that im a strong believer of the Many Worlds Hypothesis!! and i hope this makes sense!!

You should have been a physicist also. I mean professional. I'm sure you will make one hell of a scientist. hehehe

ahhh. your saying is that there are other ways to derive the UP. its not limited to the Heisenberg microscope. did i get it right? WoW! QM and possibilities!!!!

Yep yep yep!! Almost all of the modern technologies today are possible thanks to Quantum Mechanics. Chemists especially theoretical chemists are very thankful to the Physicists who formulated Density Functional Theory (another formulation of the QM) which allows them to simulate atomic and molecular structures and processes like chemical reactions very very accurately. Biology and Medicine have benefited a lot from the advanced of medical imaging such as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance imagine (NMR), Optical Confocal Microscopy, Electron Microscopy, Optical fiber technology, Quantum Dots for biological labelling and so much more. The list goes on. It is found everywhere in the sciences. Nowadays, there are so many interdisciplinary fields that are a mix of physics and other fields. That is why I am very very very eager to learn about Quantum Mechanics. And yes, you got it right. The uncertainty principle is applied to almost anything. All you have to do is find two observables. For example, position and time, position and velocity, energy and position, magnetic field and temperature, etc.... You then build up the two mathematical operators and solve the commutation equation. If the equation gives zero then it means, both observables can be measured simultaneously. If not, then you have uncertainty. hehehe

well i stated Brian Greene's book the Elegant Universe! but the wild idea that i stated, well do i count as a reference? hahahahahaha. of course to prove it would be another thing ky cgurado naa say uban naka hunahuna ana. 6+ billion people and ako ray naka hunahuna? OHH C'MON!! kapoy rasad uy kng i state tanan reference na although scientific ang topic dli mani dissertation or something. pro at least u gave me an idea or a glimpse of what the real scientific world is!

its like the singularity doesnt have any physical significance. this kind of statements sometimes causes me confusion since physics is of reality. its like saying, we are physicists and what we do predicts everything in the universe with the limits imposed by the UP but the singularity only resides in the mathematical world and is just a mere mathematical curiosity. or something like that. hehehe.

Yeah, Brian Greene is really famous to us all and to the string theory community. hehehe!

Actually singularities do have physical significance pero most physicists are not really that mystic about it. "Ok, its just a singularity." Before, I know all these science stuff(wormholes, quarks, time travel, etc..) just out of curioustity just like you. But when I finallly encountered them in my courses, I was so very very very amazed about them that I could just shout, "WOw!!!! So that is why its like this and like that! AMAZING!" But at that time, it would really seem stupid to my classmates and instructors if I did that. hahaha!

i love the last sentence in your 2nd to the last paragraph. YEAH!! ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE!!!! and probability ,as iv read, implies that no matter how improbable it is, SOMEHOW IT HAPPENS! ehehehehe.

thats also what Lord Kelvin said about physics. we know now that both he and Prof. Schrodinger are incorrect. with the age of the universe in billions we will never know when the end of physics will be. for now i just have to imagine!

end of the topic and Thread!

Mr. Fritz thank you for your replies as sure it has helped me in many ways. uv been very kind.

You are very much welcome.. Salamat pud.. hehehe! The search for truth continues.... hehe
I'd like to refer you to this site. Maybe you know it already but here it is anyway. It's a section of the site that allows you to ask any question about physics and other members who are experts will give you answers. If you happen to be one of these experts, you gain point by the number of question you have answered. The number 1 guy is a Physics instructor and number 2 is a nuclear physicist. hahaha! It's a good site for learning new thing without having to go through all the books and equations.
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/Index.cfm

[vanschen]

punk rock? emo man na gihapon bai! hehehe...

lusot sad ay. hahaha. askang bugoya.

btaw bai bcn cguro mao naglibog ka sa akong tanaw ky ang logic which uv learned ky proposition A + proposition B = proposition C which is conclusion. naa sa ako uban statements ky prop A + prop B = prop Z which is sort of like an insight.

ug sa uban ngano dli mo connect ky i think i stretch out dpat ang imagination or maybe kailangan pag makabaw ka sa principles that im talking about which is physics. prankahay lng dli ko physicist ug gmay ra au ako nahibawan sa mathematics.

ug ky nag show ka signs sa psychology, unsa kaha imo tubag sa thread or topic? yaw lng kahadlok ky puro man ta wakabaw sa tubag. hypothetical raman ni kng science pay sundon. imagitive or not it still would be an answer.

[vanschen]

You should have been a physicist also. I mean professional. I'm sure you will make one hell of a scientist. hehehe


hahaha. but WOW!! REALLY REALLY WOW!! that coming from a physicist!! dnt know what to say really...am at a loss for words. great encouragement kaau na imo sulti bai. pro frankly lng, katong mathematics sa heisenberg microscope ug sa thomas young double slit experiment maglisod ko grasp sa meaning sa derivation. i mean mo diretso hunahuna ug lawm ako utok. dli ko dayn ma satisfy kng unsa ang gihatag. maybe its stupidity but ako hunahuna its how my brain was wired or mas accurate how it was re-wired. makasabot sad bya ko sa mga lectures nila Prof. Susskind ug Prof. Lewin pro lahi ra gyud ng dali ra makasabot ky dali ra maka relate sa ubang mathematical concepts. im sure mao na imo gi ingon na grasp nmo fully ang UP. naa gyuy dakung difference. sa karn satisfied rko sa ako path like kasabot sa mga concepts and a little tiny bit of mathematics. but its my 2nd wish nga naa ma contribute sa science bisan ug gamay lng. but its the impossible of impossibles!! for now i just have to label myself as a Sayangtist as my brother always calls me. hahaha. palaban lng sa ko sa QM. bcn sa other worlds i am!! hehhehehe.


Yep yep yep!! Almost all of the modern technologies today are possible thanks to Quantum Mechanics. Chemists especially theoretical chemists are very thankful to the Physicists who formulated Density Functional Theory (another formulation of the QM) which allows them to simulate atomic and molecular structures and processes like chemical reactions very very accurately. Biology and Medicine have benefited a lot from the advanced of medical imaging such as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance imagine (NMR), Optical Confocal Microscopy, Electron Microscopy, Optical fiber technology, Quantum Dots for biological labelling and so much more. The list goes on. It is found everywhere in the sciences. Nowadays, there are so many interdisciplinary fields that are a mix of physics and other fields. That is why I am very very very eager to learn about Quantum Mechanics. And yes, you got it right. The uncertainty principle is applied to almost anything. All you have to do is find two observables. For example, position and time, position and velocity, energy and position, magnetic field and temperature, etc.... You then build up the two mathematical operators and solve the commutation equation. If the equation gives zero then it means, both observables can be measured simultaneously. If not, then you have uncertainty. hehehe


Density Func Theory is new to me. you just expanded my view of the UP. tnx!!





Yeah, Brian Greene is really famous to us all and to the string theory community. hehehe!

Actually singularities do have physical significance pero most physicists are not really that mystic about it. "Ok, its just a singularity." Before, I know all these science stuff(wormholes, quarks, time travel, etc..) just out of curioustity just like you. But when I finallly encountered them in my courses, I was so very very very amazed about them that I could just shout, "WOw!!!! So that is why its like this and like that! AMAZING!" But at that time, it would really seem stupid to my classmates and instructors if I did that. hahaha!



sikat au c Brian Greene naa pa cameo role sa movie Frequency which ganahan ko mo tanaw balik.


its short of saying, been there done that! mora man usa ray road sa physics. hehehe.



You are very much welcome.. Salamat pud.. hehehe! The search for truth continues.... hehe
I'd like to refer you to this site. Maybe you know it already but here it is anyway. It's a section of the site that allows you to ask any question about physics and other members who are experts will give you answers. If you happen to be one of these experts, you gain point by the number of question you have answered. The number 1 guy is a Physics instructor and number 2 is a nuclear physicist. hahaha! It's a good site for learning new thing without having to go through all the books and equations.
Ask the Experts

actually this is my first time to post a thread/topic. sauna naka hunahuna gyud ko send email sa mga Professors cause i really would like to know the answers to my questions but didnt have the guts. basin sa kani nga link imo gihatag mo post ko questions! pro kanang no.1 guy ky ma sabot ngano number one pro number two nga nuclear physicist nga wlay class na gi hold, kuyawa ana uy. kng equal lng ang number nila sa pag log in ba. the link is a shortcut. nakahimo sad ug level up game ang mga physicists da. hahaha.


the search for truth continues but i think we are in for surprises as Hawking sort of like said: "God still has a few tricks in his sleeves." hehehehe.

[vanschen]

Fritz: some of my replies are inside the Quote.

[fritzd]

hahaha. but WOW!! REALLY REALLY WOW!! that coming from a physicist!! dnt know what to say really...am at a loss for words. great encouragement kaau na imo sulti bai. pro frankly lng, katong mathematics sa heisenberg microscope ug sa thomas young double slit experiment maglisod ko grasp sa meaning sa derivation. i mean mo diretso hunahuna ug lawm ako utok. dli ko dayn ma satisfy kng unsa ang gihatag. maybe its stupidity but ako hunahuna its how my brain was wired or mas accurate how it was re-wired. makasabot sad bya ko sa mga lectures nila Prof. Susskind ug Prof. Lewin pro lahi ra gyud ng dali ra makasabot ky dali ra maka relate sa ubang mathematical concepts. im sure mao na imo gi ingon na grasp nmo fully ang UP. naa gyuy dakung difference. sa karn satisfied rko sa ako path like kasabot sa mga concepts and a little tiny bit of mathematics. but its my 2nd wish nga naa ma contribute sa science bisan ug gamay lng. but its the impossible of impossibles!! for now i just have to label myself as a Sayangtist as my brother always calls me. hahaha. palaban lng sa ko sa QM. bcn sa other worlds i am!! hehhehehe.

Yeah, it was also an enthusiasm like yours that prompted me to take a risk and study physics for living. It wasn't easy. I was persecuted by it. BUt fortunately, my hardwork paid off and I'm one of the peple that has the opportunity to study further at a higher level. Some people say that you need a super high IQ to study physics but I disgree. The most important aspect is love and dedication for the subject.

Density Func Theory is new to me. you just expanded my view of the UP. tnx!!

Yeah, density functional theory is really really interesting. In fact, it is what biochemists and biophysicists use to test drug reactions at a molecular level. I'm studying it now for my nanophysics course. Although, I'm not doing any practical simulations yet, I'm just studying the mathematical and conceptual framework of it. The pioneering physicist of density functional theory, Walter Kohn, won a Nobel prize in CHEMISTRY because at that time, he was able to calculate many many things that chemists have had trouble in the past. hehe

sikat au c Brian Greene naa pa cameo role sa movie Frequency which ganahan ko mo tanaw balik.

its short of saying, been there done that! mora man usa ray road sa physics. hehehe.

actually this is my first time to post a thread/topic. sauna naka hunahuna gyud ko send email sa mga Professors cause i really would like to know the answers to my questions but didnt have the guts. basin sa kani nga link imo gihatag mo post ko questions! pro kanang no.1 guy ky ma sabot ngano number one pro number two nga nuclear physicist nga wlay class na gi hold, kuyawa ana uy. kng equal lng ang number nila sa pag log in ba. the link is a shortcut. nakahimo sad ug level up game ang mga physicists da. hahaha.

the search for truth continues but i think we are in for surprises as Hawking sort of like said: "God still has a few tricks in his sleeves." hehehehe.

That site was my source of my questions before. hehehe! It still is now. The truth is real scientists sometimes really doesn't like to engage in forum answering or anything else like physlink.com. As for me, I just want to share the things that I have learned because I just consider myself lucky to have learned that things I know right now.

Yeah, I saw Brian Greene also in the movie Frequency. THere is also this other movie (I forgot the title) where he plays an IBM nanophysicist. hehehe!

[simoncpu]

lusot sad ay. hahaha. askang bugoya.

btaw bai bcn cguro mao naglibog ka sa akong tanaw ky ang logic which uv learned ky proposition A + proposition B = proposition C which is conclusion. naa sa ako uban statements ky prop A + prop B = prop Z which is sort of like an insight.

It's like A + B = C, so you conclude that D + E = F because A is similar to D. However, on closer inspection, A is not really D. There is no physical law that prohibits airplanes from flying faster than the speed of sound. There is, however, a physical law that prohibits the USS Enterprise from flying faster than the speed of light. The Star Trek writers circumvented this limitation by using the concept of a warp drive. As you can see, your analogy goes out of the window.

ug ky nag show ka signs sa psychology, unsa kaha imo tubag sa thread or topic? yaw lng kahadlok ky puro man ta wakabaw sa tubag. hypothetical raman ni kng science pay sundon. imagitive or not it still would be an answer.

I said in my earlier post that cognition would still slow down because consciousness is just something that emerged from the complex interaction of our brain cells. Time slows down relative to our brain cells if our bodies travel near the speed of light. The effect is that we won't notice any difference while traveling inside the starship.

Moreover, the signals that goes back and forth inside our brains can't travel faster than the speed of light. The signal from our eyes to our brain can't travel faster than the speed of light.

[vanschen]

It's like A + B = C, so you conclude that D + E = F because A is similar to D. However, on closer inspection, A is not really D. There is no physical law that prohibits airplanes from flying faster than the speed of sound. There is, however, a physical law that prohibits the USS Enterprise from flying faster than the speed of light. The Star Trek writers circumvented this limitation by using the concept of a warp drive. As you can see, your analogy goes out of the window.

I said in my earlier post that cognition would still slow down because consciousness is just something that emerged from the complex interaction of our brain cells. Time slows down relative to our brain cells if our bodies travel near the speed of light. The effect is that we won't notice any difference while traveling inside the starship.

Moreover, the signals that goes back and forth inside our brains can't travel faster than the speed of light. The signal from our eyes to our brain can't travel faster than the speed of light.

yes there is a physical law that prohibits everything going to the speed of light. but the equations are based to that of LIGHT!! the Lorentz factor or whatever is the reason why mass or energy becomes infinite once v = c. what i am only saying is that based sa ako nabasahan that the visible universe is composed only of 5% of the total universe. i NEVER concluded!! its what i see from all the "facts" that iv read. of course you are not "convinced" ky the remaining 95% is non interacting sa ordinary matter. its equivalent to saying nga unsay gamit sa remaining matter nga wa may ghapoy pulos. pro naa may string theory nga gi merge ang QM ug GR. for me Earth = Universe. i think the warp drive you are referring to is the Alcuberrie warp drive. which is space na ang gi gamit pra mo travel at or faster than the speed of light. like i think nga morag conveyor belt nga mosakay lng pra abot sa light speed. think preho ra pra nko which is of course against sa physicists view ky mao gani naay warp drive pra mo likay sa speed limit gi set ni Einstein. pro dapat pa ma prove kng unsa gyud ang spacetime. pra ma sure kng sakto ba gyud.

preho rata view about sa cognition. pro dli ko tuo dli ta ka feel. anyways we are entitled to our own views and opinion.

[vanschen]

Yeah, it was also an enthusiasm like yours that prompted me to take a risk and study physics for living. It wasn't easy. I was persecuted by it. BUt fortunately, my hardwork paid off and I'm one of the peple that has the opportunity to study further at a higher level. Some people say that you need a super high IQ to study physics but I disgree. The most important aspect is love and dedication for the subject.



Yeah, density functional theory is really really interesting. In fact, it is what biochemists and biophysicists use to test drug reactions at a molecular level. I'm studying it now for my nanophysics course. Although, I'm not doing any practical simulations yet, I'm just studying the mathematical and conceptual framework of it. The pioneering physicist of density functional theory, Walter Kohn, won a Nobel prize in CHEMISTRY because at that time, he was able to calculate many many things that chemists have had trouble in the past. hehe



That site was my source of my questions before. hehehe! It still is now. The truth is real scientists sometimes really doesn't like to engage in forum answering or anything else like physlink.com. As for me, I just want to share the things that I have learned because I just consider myself lucky to have learned that things I know right now.

Yeah, I saw Brian Greene also in the movie Frequency. THere is also this other movie (I forgot the title) where he plays an IBM nanophysicist. hehehe!

saludo ko nmo bai! maka "relate" sad ko anang RISK. i know a very popular physicist who is only slightly above average. i think its also creativity that matters. but tanaw nko nmo bai gifted ka or even more! i see a similarity sa ako na meet mga tao. this is not to discourage you and i think you are aware ky sa mga excerpts ni Feynman nga gamay nlng mahabilin sa higher years sa iyang class after 3rd or 4th year. pro not sure kng undergrad or grad. but i believe in you bai. i know you can go the "next level" or even more! just keep it up!

kuyawa na anang subjecta bai uy i compara sa pilipinas. hi tech na kau! blessed ka bai hop ull be one of those Filipino inventors nga maka make ug impact sa world. bcn maka himo ka ug super drug nga mo datu ang mga drug lords ha. hahahaha. idol gyud kuning mga tawhana bisan dli lng gud maka daug ug nobel prize. basta maka contribute sa science daku na kau ko ug respetar. nindot lagi kaug maka meet in person bisan usa lng nila. kaw daghan nakag na meet bai una c Prof. Gross. payter kau na bai.


unsa na level nmo sa p-link? bcn level 3 na. mo try pko basa sa DFT ug sa p-link. cgurado mo spark nasad sa infinity ni ako mind if i may use your term. hahaha.


part physicist ug part artista ni c Prof. Greene bcn sa laing worlds ky full tym artista or nano physicist. just a point, c Prof. Greene ky polymath pro c Prof Witten maoy naka revolutionize sa string theory. hmmmm. hehehe.