Is it true nga good ka in math, good pud ka sa programming?

[MarkCuering]

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ako i rephrase akong understanding
All Good in Math are Good in Programming

No bro... I disagree. A Mathematician can be a ZERO knowledge in programming.

Scenario 1:

A Doctor of Mathematics can learn programming, provided that he will understand the LOGIC of Programming. MATH doesn't have OOP concept, no syntax, no compiler, your common tool is PEN, CALCULATOR, and MATH LOGIC, related only to that discipline. This is possible. Gather all MATH teachers asked them 1 by 1 if they know programming.

But not All Good in Programming are Good in Math......

Scanario 2:

Gather all Programmers from different field. Ask them What kind of MATH they are working. We can find for sure, programmers that are good in MATH along with their respective discipline, example:

Math Physics (motion programming),
Statistics (business programming),
Math Geometries (3d geometric programming),
Concurrent Forces, Kinetics (system programming under mechanics)

of course, there are most commonly used like ALGEBRA, TRIGONOMETRY, ARITHMETIC, and COMPUTER MATH, which is requred in every aspect of programming but not a MUST!

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@MarkCuering

i think if your analytical skills in Math will be used in Programming, its true that math doesnt have an OOP, compiler, syntax, etc. but if a Mathematician can learn that, he can learn that easily because he can understand it quickly and it's also because he has analytical skills...

it's rare to have a person who is good programming but not good in math, so therefore i say that about less than 10% of programmers dont have skills in math maybe because they dont like math, or they are lazy in solving math, but i believe that if they will learn that subject, they will learn quickly if they have interest..so it's a matter of interest because some say math is boring which is actually not.....

[bluedes]

No bro... I disagree. A Mathematician can be a ZERO knowledge in programming.

Scenario 1:

A Doctor of Mathematics can learn programming, provided that he will understand the LOGIC of Programming. MATH doesn't have OOP concept, no syntax, no compiler, your common tool is PEN, CALCULATOR, and MATH LOGIC, related only to that discipline. This is possible. Gather all MATH teachers asked them 1 by 1 if they know programming.

obviously, if zero knowledge sila sa programming, how can he be good at it in the first place..
this is a null argument..

Scanario 2:

Gather all Programmers from different field. Ask them What kind of MATH they are working. We can find for sure, programmers that are good in MATH along with their respective discipline, example:

Math Physics (motion programming),
Statistics (business programming),
Math Geometries (3d geometric programming),
Concurrent Forces, Kinetics (system programming under mechanics)

of course, there are most commonly used like ALGEBRA, TRIGONOMETRY, ARITHMETIC, and COMPUTER MATH, which is requred in every aspect of programming but not a MUST!

Ergo, if you want to be good in programming, you need to be good in math also..

i'm just following your logic here..

you see, the point here is if good ka sa math, are u also good in programming?
the answer to that is yes..
it doesn't take long for a mathematician to be a good programmer..
but for a programmer to be even good, he needs to develop his mathematical foundation first..
otherwise, he'll just be an average joe (script kiddie) who can do what everyone else can do.. learning how to program is not that difficult.. but learning how to be a good programmer, that requires a lot of analysis and logic as you have pointed out..

the math teachers who have no experience with programming will surely shy away from a programming course, because for them, they perceive it to be difficult na in the first place.. especially the ones who weren't born in the time the computers were ubiquitous in our place.. (usually, people don't want to learn something new kay kapoy na) but if only they will try, they'd be surprised to find out that basic programming is actually just like linear algebra..

but find a master's degree in math or phd even, di na ka muquestion ngano maayo kaayo na sila ug programming..

[bluedes]

@MarkCuering

i think if your analytical skills in Math will be used in Programming, its true that math doesnt have an OOP, compiler, syntax, etc. but if a Mathematician can learn that, he can learn that easily because he can understand it quickly and it's also because he has analytical skills...

it's rare to have a person who is good programming but not good in math, so therefore i say that about less than 10% of programmers dont have skills in math maybe because they dont like math, or they are lazy in solving math, but i believe that if they will learn that subject, they will learn quickly if they have interest..so it's a matter of interest because some say math is boring which is actually not.....

exactly.. mao jud sakit sa kadaghanan.. mutapul na man gud ug kat-on ug something new..
no offense to the majority..

[cUrsEdwInd]

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if you are good in math, well, you have an EDGE in programming... an EDGE..

your analytical skills are involved in programming. not math as a whole applied to your programming skills

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daghan man gud sanga2x ang programming. not just math

[kamsky]

not true.

you need to practice. I reckon Einstein was not good programmer.

[dodie]

Einstein was the rockstar in physics.

I always wanted to be a pornstar and count my own proteins.

[MarkCuering]

You still don’t understand nor analyze what I really want to point out here. If you read my post base in my experience you will notice that it was not all just MATH. I'm not against MATH, nor against programming... Both are heavy subjects.

you see, the point here is if good ka sa math, are u also good in programming? the answer to that is yes.. it doesn't take long for a mathematician to be a good programmer.. Ergo, if you want to be good in programming, you need to be good in math also..

Again and again

It always depends on the TARGET. Programming alone is not MATH. Programming in what sense? There are a lot of factors in programming field that does not require MATH. Think about designing User Interface? Think about the entire design where you want to develop your system? The usage of databases, there is a requirement to meet; there is a STANDARD to follow. All these things are not related to any MATH, which is important in programming. MATH is not always as needed... You cannot deliberately tell to somebody that you NEED Math without knowing WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, HOW?
When you design a User Interface, it is important that you know the LOGIC, and how does it help to the end users; there is no MATH behind these kinds of activities. When designing assembly, class structures, to functions, there's no MATH required. When you do implementations then MATH might come in.

When you study programming there’s no PURE MATHEMATICS required, instead we study how computer works, how they able to handle numerical values.

That’s why my company invested us to take special course to study strictly in MATH; they don’t hire mathematicians, learning the entire architecture takes year to puzzle; years of practice and years of developing skills.
Learning MATH takes minimum time to where you want to apply in programming. MATH in General is written on the book, Programming with respect to technology is yet to be discovered. MATH on the field requires both THEORIES and EXPERIENCE.

It doesn't take long for a mathematician to be a good programmer...

You cannot be so sure on this. And being a "GOOD PROGRAMMER" depends upon the person who said that, this is relative to what he is expecting to be called as GOOD PROGRAMMER. For me, some side of programming requires SKILLS and TALENTS that you cannot find from other individuals.

[bluedes]

You still don’t understand nor analyze what I really want to point out here. If you read my post base in my experience you will notice that it was not all just MATH. I'm not against MATH, nor against programming... Both are heavy subjects.

yeah, i can see that..

Again and again

It always depends on the TARGET. Programming alone is not MATH. Programming in what sense? There are a lot of factors in programming field that does not require MATH. Think about designing User Interface?

HOW?
When you design a User Interface, it is important that you know the LOGIC, and how does it help to the end users; there is no MATH behind these kinds of activities. When designing assembly, class structures, to functions, there's no MATH required. When you do implementations then MATH might come in.

i don't think designing an interface is a programmer's job bro.. i work with fine arts students to do those.. kay mao man gud na ilang forte.. i'm a systems developer.. if i want to have good interface designs, i just tell my designer the things he needs to consider in an interface, i explain to him the perspective of the program from the user's point of view, and when he comes up with an interface, i begin writing the code behind.. of course, as a programmer, i should have basic knowledge how to manipulate images na gihatag sa fine arts nko (and well, that doesn't require math at all, but its just basic knowledge anyway).. in my experience, di man gud mahuman ang trabaho sa programmer kung siya pud magdesign sa interface, kay magsige usab2x huna2x kung artistic na ang mode... there's no end criteria for art.

Think about the entire design where you want to develop your system? The usage of databases, there is a requirement to meet; there is a STANDARD to follow. All these things are not related to any MATH, which is important in programming. MATH is not always as needed... You cannot deliberately tell to somebody that you NEED Math without knowing WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY,

I think this is project management already, not anymore programming.. most project managers don't even know how to write code.. they just know how the project life cycle goes.. database management is not programming code anymore also.. they're just aware of storage capacities and bandwidth load/limit sa server, but barely do they know any advanced SQL.. basics ra ila hibaw-an..

but if you want to be able to write really good SQL statements, having knowledge of mathematical logic, SQL statements are chicken feed.. way hambug, pero sayon ra kaayo pagbuhat ug really advanced SQL statements especially with very complex query problems kung kahibalo lng ka sa nature sa logic behind it..

as to designing relational databases, again, if you know mathematical logic, you can design tables that are very efficient in look ups with respect to your joins and sub queries.. anybody can write an SQL statement or design a database, the question is, optimized ba na sya.. normalizing a database design has its roots in mathematics.. mura ra jud ni sya reducing a boolean formula to normal disjunctive form..

When you study programming there’s no PURE MATHEMATICS required, instead we study how computer works, how they able to handle numerical values.

pero how will u be able to handle numerical values if u didn't know the math behind it? boolean algebra is itself the basis of all the 1s and 0s.. that's pure math. in an introductory course sa programming, conversion of number bases from binary to octal to hex ang una i-teach sa student.. para ni naa sila foundation sa math. ang kapait lng, usahay, lisod-lisoron lng sa maestro ang student, when in fact, pwerteng sayona ra jud aning conversion of bases.. (maybe because di gusto ug math ang teacher, and some teachers want to make it look difficult para ingnon brayt kuno sya)

but anyway, mao to xa ako point..

That’s why my company invested us to take special course to study strictly in MATH; they don’t hire mathematicians, learning the entire architecture takes year to puzzle; years of practice and years of developing skills.
Learning MATH takes minimum time to where you want to apply in programming. MATH in General is written on the book, Programming with respect to technology is yet to be discovered. MATH on the field requires both THEORIES and EXPERIENCE.

they don't hire pure mathematicians, i can understand that.. but u see, computer science is applied math.. and how can you apply math if you don't have foundation of it..

my point earlier is just that you can be an average programmer (a script kiddie), pero to be a good programmer, you have to be good in math..

You cannot be so sure on this. And being a "GOOD PROGRAMMER" depends upon the person who said that, this is relative to what he is expecting to be called as GOOD PROGRAMMER. For me, some side of programming requires SKILLS and TALENTS that you cannot find from other individuals.

murag misconception man gud kaayo ang math sa kadaghanan bro.. i admit, not a lot of people like math.. pero all around the world, in the work place, and in academics, i've discovered that people who are good in math tend to be good in programming.. alan turing was an english mathematician, as well as a computer scientist.. but i doubt he would have been a good computer scientist if dili to sya mathematician.

[popoyjin]

programming is combination of math, logic, interest, curiosity, etc...