Would Time Dilation slow down Cognition (ala Twins Paradox)?

[vanschen]

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The twins paradox illustrates time dilation.

Instead of twins we replace them with identical computers. 1st is left on earth. the 2nd is moving near the speed of light towards a galaxy. suppose both computers are solving a problem that would take 7 years. if the round trip of the 2nd computer would take 6 years. would it solve the problem the moment it arrives on earth?

of course the 1st computer has solved the problem the time the 2nd computer arrives. lets say 10 years has elapsed.

if computers are made out of IC's and IC's are made out of electrons and electrons obey time dilation. so the time of computation would slow down relative to the 1st computer.

would it also be the same with human cognition since biological, chemical clocks would slow down due to the effects of time dilation? [[what about consciousness?]]


[if it does, naa bay way nga dli ma apektahan sa time dilation effect kng mo sakay kag ship travelling near the speed of light?]

[fritzd]

The twins paradox illustrates time dilation.

Instead of twins we replace them with identical computers. 1st is left on earth. the 2nd is moving near the speed of light towards a galaxy. suppose both computers are solving a problem that would take 7 years. if the round trip of the 2nd computer would take 6 years. would it solve the problem the moment it arrives on earth?

of course the 1st computer has solved the problem the time the 2nd computer arrives. lets say 10 years has elapsed.

if computers are made out of IC's and IC's are made out of electrons and electrons obey time dilation. so the time of computation would slow down relative to the 1st computer.

would it also be the same with human cognition since biological, chemical clocks would slow down due to the effects of time dilation? [[what about consciousness?]]


[if it does, naa bay way nga dli ma apektahan sa time dilation effect kng mo sakay kag ship travelling near the speed of light?]

Time has nothing to do with consciousness. First, you must understand how to define time because from your question, you are getting confused what time really is. The simplest definition of time is the difference time duration between two events. For example, you drop a ball 1meter high and another ball 2meters high. Let's call both events as event A and B, respectively. We consider one event as the ball falling from its initial position down to the ground. The perception you have on the difference of the duration of the events A and B is what we call time. So basically we have any scale of time. In most physics books, 1 second is define as the time for which light can travel 299792458 meters. hehehe! Anyway, regarding you question, anything or any event which we measure using this time scale is not exempted from time dilation. So yeah, every other event out there will be affected by time dilation if you move at relativistic speeds; computers, chemical reactions, etc.....

One good example is with the subatomic particle Muon. In fact, they were able to prove Einstein's Special theory of relativity with Muon particles. Muons are created from our atmosphere due to the cosmic rays. They normally have a fixed decay lifetime when they are at rest or far from the speed of light. They travel down close enough to the speed of light to exhibit relativistic effects. Astrophysicists noticed that these Muons have a different decay lifetime. And it in fact, agrees with the relativistic time dilation as predicted by Einstein's Special Theory of relativity.

Here are some information about muons.
Muons and Time Dilation
muon mean lifetime

So that is it. Time dilation has no exceptions. hehehe!

[if it does, naa bay way nga dli ma apektahan sa time dilation effect kng mo sakay kag ship travelling near the speed of light?]

Do you watch the series Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, and Stargate Universe? They have what they call inertial dampenders which is exactly what you want. hehehe! Normally, in the show they try explain some peculiar technology works with the current progress of physics like opening a wormhole, etc.. But with regards to this inertial dampeners, they don't mention anything about how it works. For the reason that there is simply no way countering time dilation even theoretically. "We need more Einsteins", this is a phrase I read from a famous engineering publication IEEE. They used it to describe current progress of space travel up to wacky ideas for the future.

[vernie]

Could it be that the thing they called Muons did not physically travel all at but only replicated or multiplied along the said considered distance where Astrophysicists noticed of different decay lifetime?

One good example is with the subatomic particle Muon. In fact, they were able to prove Einstein's Special theory of relativity with Muon particles. Muons are created from our atmosphere due to the cosmic rays. They normally have a fixed decay lifetime when they are at rest or far from the speed of light. They travel down close enough to the speed of light to exhibit relativistic effects. Astrophysicists noticed that these Muons have a different decay lifetime. And it in fact, agrees with the relativistic time dilation as predicted by Einstein's Special Theory of relativity.

[fritzd]

Could it be that the thing they called Muons did not physically travel all at but only replicated or multiplied along the said considered distance where Astrophysicists noticed of different decay lifetime?

I'm no expert in Astrophysics of Particle physics but I think this is standard accepted fact for them. I just remembered this because it was an exam question in the modern physics course I took during my undergraduate years. hehehe

I did a search on physical review letters and these are what I found.

Phys. Rev. 162 (1967): L. B. Rédei - Validity of Special Relativity at Small Distances and the Velocity Dependence of the Muon Lifetime
http://prola.aps.org/pdf/PR/v51/i10/p884_1

Here is another which is more on the experimental data analysis.
Access : Measurements of relativistic time dilatation for positive and negative muons in a circular orbit : Nature
It's indeed a know fact that muons are affected by time dilation.

[vanschen]

One good example is with the subatomic particle Muon. In fact, they were able to prove Einstein's Special theory of relativity with Muon particles. Muons are created from our atmosphere due to the cosmic rays. They normally have a fixed decay lifetime when they are at rest or far from the speed of light. They travel down close enough to the speed of light to exhibit relativistic effects. Astrophysicists noticed that these Muons have a different decay lifetime. And it in fact, agrees with the relativistic time dilation as predicted by Einstein's Special Theory of relativity.

Here are some information about muons.
Muons and Time Dilation
muon mean lifetime

So that is it. Time dilation has no exceptions. hehehe!



Do you watch the series Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, and Stargate Universe? They have what they call inertial dampenders which is exactly what you want. hehehe! Normally, in the show they try explain some peculiar technology works with the current progress of physics like opening a wormhole, etc.. But with regards to this inertial dampeners, they don't mention anything about how it works. For the reason that there is simply no way countering time dilation even theoretically. "We need more Einsteins", this is a phrase I read from a famous engineering publication IEEE. They used it to describe current progress of space travel up to wacky ideas for the future.[/QUOTE]

nice pro mathematics not nice. haha.

morag naka meet ko anang inertial dampeners sa the physics of star trek. think pra dli ma momo ang naa sa sud ig full stop gkan light speed.

kng naa man kaha maka sulbad usa nas libog na concept ky preho ranag ingon motion with/thru non motion. mahimo nang zen koans. toink.

[simoncpu]

@vanschen

What you are implying is that consciousness is a mysterious and intangible thing that is beyond the laws of Physics. You most likely believe that man consists of a soul and a body, and that a soul can exist outside of a body. Whether that is right or wrong remains to be seen.

Perhaps consciousness is just something that emerged from the complex interaction of brain cells, which behave under the laws of Physics. Human cognition would still slow down; that is, if you manage to figure out how to prevent your body from splatting against the spaceship's walls and turning into liquid goo the moment you accelerate to the speed of light:

[rodsky]

May I remind those who keep saying "towards the speed of light" or "from the speed of light". You can achieve 99.9% the speed of light, but you can never reach "the speed of light". I am just stating this, because the casual iStorya reader might mistake that one can attain the speed of light (impossible).

-RODION

[vanschen]

@vanschen

What you are implying is that consciousness is a mysterious and intangible thing that is beyond the laws of Physics. You most likely believe that man consists of a soul and a body, and that a soul can exist outside of a body. Whether that is right or wrong remains to be seen.

Perhaps consciousness is just something that emerged from the complex interaction of brain cells, which behave under the laws of Physics. Human cognition would still slow down; that is, if you manage to figure out how to prevent your body from splatting against the spaceship's walls and turning into liquid goo the moment you accelerate to the speed of light:

yes. matod ni fritz ky dli ma apektahan ang consciousness sa time. morag mao sad ni ako pag tanaw. mo slow down tinuod ang cognition tungod sa time dilation pro ang naka weird dha ky ma aware ta tungod sa consciousness. we would "feel" time slowing down maybe thru our movements preho ug mahubog but the thing is we are aware. even though emergent but its effect dli ma apektahan sa time as assumed. mao na ako pangagpas. dli man gyud ta maka hibaw unless ma prove.

[fritzd]

yes. matod ni fritz ky dli ma apektahan ang consciousness sa time. morag mao sad ni ako pag tanaw. mo slow down tinuod ang cognition tungod sa time dilation pro ang naka weird dha ky ma aware ta tungod sa consciousness. we would "feel" time slowing down maybe thru our movements preho ug mahubog but the thing is we are aware. even though emergent but its effect dli ma apektahan sa time as assumed. mao na ako pangagpas. dli man gyud ta maka hibaw unless ma prove.

dili gyud maprove.. pero one way of imagining it, kay if for example you are moving close to the speed of light. (hypothetically), para nimo pareho ra gihapon ang passage of time.. dili ka makanotice sa changes due to time dilation kay tanan sa imong surroundings nga kuyog nimo kay subject man pud to time dilation... diha raka makabalo nga nihinay diay ang passage of time kung mubalik ka sa imong point of reference.. hehe!

[vanschen]

of course laymen including me will always think that 99.999% speed of light will always be equal to the speed of light. technically theyre different but we can only use this technicality when calculating or when one tries to know the accurate details. the thing is the point was of the topic not the details of the speed of light whether its off by .1% or .0000000001%. if its understandable ok nana.

fritz:

naa koy nahunahunaan tubag sa ako ngutana sa last question. kng gamiton nmo ang concept ni brian greene sa book elegant universe nga space share some percentage of time when in motion. like if
space = 90% the motion of time would be 10% or space = 50% , t = 50% and so on. so ang time dilation ma explain thru this concept. pro to achieve the greatest motion in space is to travel straight. krn pra ma shield ang observer sa time dilation effects what if we use the extra dimensions. what if we let the strings travel throught the extra dimensions in a zigzag or in a spiral and maybe loop inside it. since ni travel not in a straight line [which is when motion in space becomes 99%] ang strings, den more motion is shared thru time. more dimensions mean more space pro dli ma visualize kng lapas 6 dimensions. meaning ma lessen or maybe nullify ang effect sa time dilation. kng ang strings are 18 orders of magnitude sa size sa electron so naa lng cguroy gamay nga movement. just my guess. what if usa ni sa way sa anti-time dilation pro i think dli pa mahimo theory ky matod sa book mentioned above dapat maka baw ta sa exact shape and size sa extra dimensions ky ni involve naman extra dimensions to work out the mathematical details. pro kng masulbad man kaha nila witten or greene [not necessarily sa idea above], i think we would need more engineers than Einsteins. and ang motion with non motion would be "non-motion" sa 3 dimensions with motion sa extra dimensions. hehe.

naa lng ko gusto ma clarify. kng i replace ang muons with light. infinite ba ang speed sa iyang frame of reference? ug wa nay point A point B? what if ur car travels at light speed ig on nmo sa suga dli ka kita sa suga ky preho naman mo ug speed?