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    like what you said, man is like a cup of liquid taken from a body of water (god). since the water (man) is placed in a cup (flesh), there is an illusion of separateness. the flesh has an egoic mind which creates all kinds of thoughts and emotions to reinforce the division, creating an entity or an individual. since it is limited by the cup, the water associates itself and derives its sense of self with the cup and forgets that it is a part of a body of water. to destroy the illusion, one must remember its connectedness/oneness with god (water). to do that, one must be aware of that we are not the body, the thoughts and the egoic mind (cup). awareness is a state of remembrance of what one is beyond the seeming boundary or limitation of the flesh.

    kinda labad ang explanation but hope you get the drift

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    thanks miyay, very wonderful.

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    aw wala diay kay nakitang problema sa akong pangutana? so unsa may punto nimong ani nga thread wala man kahay problema?
    ikaw ba, nganong maglisod-lisod man jud ka sa imong kaugalingon.

    if we have an idea about sa gipasabot sa TS. then we can supplement it.
    no need to argue. wala man problema.

    kung gamay ra para nimo ang cup "tasa" nga sudlanan ug tubig.
    puede man ka moggamit ug balde or tnake sa tubig.

    this is OT

    pein, kung naa kay ikatampo nga nindot, palihug lang butang diri.

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    as for me, i think it's a notion that puts man on a pedestal, that he is separate from nature. And this type of dominant mentality is actually what's destroying our planet. We are part of nature, we came from nature. This "divinity" within us is only OUR potential as a specie and i think cannot be attained individually or within a religious group. It's only after the species as a whole realizes its potential that we start walking the path to divinity. this divinity is not static either, it is a continuous progression by one generation after another. I also don't think it can be tapped by meditating or praying, but by accumulating as much information as you can on the world around you.

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    puede man ko mogamit og Koran pero mas nindot man gud pagka explain sa bible ang point nga gusto nako i share.
    Ahh okay..wala lang..nindot man sad share pud ka ani bahin ani parallel sa Koran para at least pwedi nimo i-defense na universal o consistent ang concept sa TS thru out religion...well, majority man sad sa mga posters diri christian and former-christians so it seems pointless cguro to take out something from the Koran.

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by hizuka007 View Post
    OT: physically mn gud ang gihisgutan. ky kung moingun mn gud kag ascended physically niadto diay c jesus sa gawas sa earth, dd2 sa laing planet nga gitawag sa mga tao nga heaven.. OR nisakay diay xag spaceship nga naghulat sa iyaha sa taas nga nagtago sa clouds... mali jud kaayo ky ang heaven dili mana physical intawun oi, "It is not there, it is not here, But it is within you"....

    @TS, senxa sa OT gamay.... pang last na to.. hehhehh ^_^
    Unfortunately brad not one can claim they have gone to that place. Its a place of promise waiting to be fullfilled. ITS VERY WRONG TO ASSUME ITS NOT TRUE you know why, neither nor you can prove that it is wrong... only your logic tells you that... because in the first place you never believe in him.

    Heal the sick walk on water, water into wine... what else he need to do to prove he can do anything? You want him to rule the world physically? Brad, it seems you have the same intention to those people who crucify him. They want him to rule over the ROMANS. Sorry brad, about heaven, it is written as a place of no more tears no more pain, if you believe its within you... those promise on the first hand were FALSE. think about it.

    Heaven is a place we never know where, how, and what... sorry brad this is just beyond our capacity. Learn to know the limits...

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by hizuka007 View Post
    tan-awa ra ang pagkabulabog sa bible o, nagpaila lang nga giedit lang jud, di jud absolute truth. man made. a form of control..... etc.

    btw, nganong modescend pa man? nga ang spirit is not bounded by time and space, therefore dili na kailangan pa na mogikan pa sa clouds panaog, og di na pud kailangan pa na gikan sa yuta mo ascend para lang makaadtog heaven...igo nalang moappear diritso sa masking asa nga lugar. or igo nlang mawalag kalit parihas sa mga multo.....

    ngek di nako mopost ky layo na jud kaayo, last post na ni bossing ky basi unyag ma-ban ko
    btw, nganong modescend pa man? nga ang spirit is not bounded by time and space, therefore dili na kailangan pa na mogikan pa sa clouds panaog
    --- hehehe, ka simple. He got his own purpose why.

    Give you exsampol brad.
    If mo kaon ka, nano mag lisud2 paman ta d na man lang ta mag kinamot?

    If Christ ascended and descended it shows that his physical form can defy gravity which no man had ever done unassisted.
    It proves his body is Physical and it died, it bears the scar of the nails... and so-on...
    whatever his reason brad, iya to rason.

    If next time mo kaon ka.. pag kinamot nalang brad para walay mo question nano ga lisud lisud paka... dba? ka kuha ka sa idea?

    One more thing, if u saw an object ascending to heavens, a lot of people can see... if he will just travel at the speed of thought, only those who are near can notice he is gone... therefore his purpose is perfect. think again. 500 witness?

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    btw, nganong modescend pa man? nga ang spirit is not bounded by time and space, therefore dili na kailangan pa na mogikan pa sa clouds panaog
    --- hehehe, ka simple. He got his own purpose why.

    Give you exsampol brad.
    If mo kaon ka, nano mag lisud2 paman ta d na man lang ta mag kinamot?

    If Christ ascended and descended it shows that his physical form can defy gravity which no man had ever done unassisted.
    It proves his body is Physical and it died, it bears the scar of the nails... and so-on...
    whatever his reason brad, iya to rason.

    If next time mo kaon ka.. pag kinamot nalang brad para walay mo question nano ga lisud lisud paka... dba? ka kuha ka sa idea?

    One more thing, if u saw an object ascending to heavens, a lot of people can see... if he will just travel at the speed of thought, only those who are near can notice he is gone... therefore his purpose is perfect. think again. 500 witness?
    cge bai magkinamot nalang kog kaon
    ok kung ang iyang purpose is para MAKITA sa mga katawhan nga niascend na xa sa heaven, then asa diay ang heaven? naa sa taas? naa sa gawas sa earth? and physical diay? ky gidala pa man niya iyang lawas.

    mao2x rana sa passage about sa papa ni elijah nga niascend daw ang iyang papa sa heaven kay gisuyop kuno sa whirlwind. mao2x na xa na case, ang nakalahi lang kay sa iyaha kay especial ky walay whirlwind effect........
    (support lang) basaha pud tong about sa gisulti ni Ezekiel about sa ka2ng mechanical object nga nakita daw niya from above nga naay HUMAN like figure sa solod. (support lang)

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by hizuka007 View Post
    cge bai magkinamot nalang kog kaon
    ok kung ang iyang purpose is para MAKITA sa mga katawhan nga niascend na xa sa heaven, then asa diay ang heaven? naa sa taas? naa sa gawas sa earth? and physical diay? ky gidala pa man niya iyang lawas.

    mao2x rana sa passage about sa papa ni elijah nga niascend daw ang iyang papa sa heaven kay gisuyop kuno sa whirlwind. mao2x na xa na case, ang nakalahi lang kay sa iyaha kay especial ky walay whirlwind effect........
    (support lang) basaha pud tong about sa gisulti ni Ezekiel about sa ka2ng mechanical object nga nakita daw niya from above nga naay HUMAN like figure sa solod. (support lang)
    Whirlwind effect...di kaya to space vortex nga mi-open? just wondering lang...kay kung ingon ana what's the need of a saviour being born and grows up as any man when in fact at any time he can just create space vortex and step in to save the day?

  10. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Existanz View Post
    Whirlwind effect...di kaya to space vortex nga mi-open? just wondering lang...kay kung ingon ana what's the need of a saviour being born and grows up as any man when in fact at any time he can just create space vortex and step in to save the day?
    ambot lang kaha, basig spaceship nga nanuyop sa iya papa.......

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