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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    God can be both, formless and with form, but the point i was trying to make is, God(Ultimate divine Reality) is not made of flesh. If god is made of flesh that would be a big problem.



    read my post again please. im expecting your next post to follow the question i gave.
    If god is made of flesh that would be a big problem
    --- what problem, he already did... maybe the problem of disbelieving... hmmm, its not his problem brad i think its yours.

    when God said when 2o or more people gathered in his name, he will be on the center of it? how can you comprehend those? lets say we have fourty different group worshiping at the same time... just accept the fact that our intellect is not capable of such comprehension. Because you cant does it mean its a lie? hmmmm...
    Nobody can comprehend how planets are formed how stars are formed, yes its there... right now.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by hizuka007 View Post
    mao nay nakafaet aning bible adiks ba kay bias kaayo sa physical, maong paginterpret mahimo nang physical.... lalimang kag ang God kay Tao ang itsura! hain naman ang gitawag natog God is everywhere? hain naman ang 'the kingdom of God is within you'?

    btw, kanang revelation vision lang mana, di man jud na kung unsa ang nakita sa vision kay ma na jud na. full of signs and symbols manang vision.
    brad God becomes man in the person of christ... your problem is you don't believe it... well we do... so whats the problem... i think its not God, its you not believing it. dba?

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by NASYO View Post
    ayaw sad ng gahum2X.
    timan-i lang ang pulong na image/likeness.
    masabtan ra na dretso.
    image and likeness
    --- we cannot prove anything the way you people wanted it. But i got story to tell you.

    Image = appearance
    - 2 hands, 2feet, neck and head.
    - angels have those, Christ have those.

    likeness = attributes
    - walk on 2 legs, can think, have freewill.

    so? do you want to see God like you and me? well Christ did it... he heal the sick, he walk on water, he turn water into wine, he calm the raging seas, he float ascended to heavens.
    - you don't believe? well its your problem not his... hehehe!

    FYI:
    - before walk on water is impossible, quantum mechanics said yes its possible over a millions of chance. So is it a lie? hmmm, i don't think so.

    If you don't believe then its your problem not HIS.


    ka alegre.

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    so we are a spark of the divine being. a small cup of water taken from the ocean.. so we are bound to be come one with him.. our flesh and bone is our every day hell, thanks to our ancestors sins.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by hizuka007 View Post
    mao nay nakafaet aning bible adiks ba kay bias kaayo sa physical, maong paginterpret mahimo nang physical.... lalimang kag ang God kay Tao ang itsura! hain naman ang gitawag natog God is everywhere? hain naman ang 'the kingdom of God is within you'?

    btw, kanang revelation vision lang mana, di man jud na kung unsa ang nakita sa vision kay ma na jud na. full of signs and symbols manang vision.
    ang "Kingdom of God within you" mao na siya ang Simbahan ..... Church is a Spiritual Kingdom not a Building that is why it is within you ....

    The Image of God in Revelation is reality in the vision of John .... complete like human and is not figurative but so literal .... hes form is like human but He is a Spirit ... walay impossible sa Ginoo ...

    Base sa ato nga passage iyaha pa gani gi hikap john kay ning luhod niya ... sa ato pa naa siya kamot.

    Sa iyaha Mouth nang gawas ang Word of God which is the Bible ... sa ato pa naa siya Baba.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    ang "Kingdom of God within you" mao na siya ang Simbahan ..... Church is a Spiritual Kingdom not a Building that is why it is within you ....

    The Image of God in Revelation is reality in the vision of John .... complete like human and is not figurative but so literal .... hes form is like human but He is a Spirit ... walay impossible sa Ginoo ...

    Base sa ato nga passage iyaha pa gani gi hikap john kay ning luhod niya ... sa ato pa naa siya kamot.

    Sa iyaha Mouth nang gawas ang Word of God which is the Bible ... sa ato pa naa siya Baba.
    your explanation brad is good enough, denial makes it false... too bad. its hard to tell people who are not listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    If god is made of flesh that would be a big problem
    --- what problem, he already did... maybe the problem of disbelieving... hmmm, its not his problem brad i think its yours.

    when God said when 2o or more people gathered in his name, he will be on the center of it? how can you comprehend those? lets say we have fourty different group worshiping at the same time... just accept the fact that our intellect is not capable of such comprehension. Because you cant does it mean its a lie? hmmmm...
    Nobody can comprehend how planets are formed how stars are formed, yes its there... right now.
    understand the sentence. review the first post i made. Get the main point.

    God is Spirit and those who wish to worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Jesus according to your doctrine is God incarnate. Jesus is not the flesh.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    understand the sentence. review the first post i made. Get the main point.

    God is Spirit and those who wish to worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Jesus according to your doctrine is God incarnate. Jesus is not the flesh.
    Jesus according to your doctrine is God incarnate. Jesus is not the flesh
    --- i dont understand your sentence but anyway i think i get your thought... Jesus is the manifestation of God in Flesh.

    God is Spirit and those who wish to worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth
    --- Trinity = Father + Son + Holy Spirit. Why did you omit the rest?

    ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."



    maybe you have omitted the supporting verses... hmmm, trickery malic? I think its intentional... hmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Dili sab puede bro kay wala man tay gahum parihas sa Ginoo ... sa image lang or sa appearance ang relationship ani wa nay lain.

    wala tay gahum? oh we do have power but limited kay naa man ta sa physical plane. look around you, the inventions of man. Those are proofs of our godhood, we are creators.

    in your doctrine isn't it stated that when the soul reaches heaven the corruptible will be replaced by something incorruptible. Do you know what this means?

    Esoterically speaking this part refers to liberation. From the christian point of view its called redemption. Your soul is being transported to heaven and it will be endowed with spiritual qualities. There you will no longer experience death, sickness, pain, trouble, poverty, hunger, every physical limitations will be taken away. According to Christian theologians the soul will take a glorified body, a body like the resurrected body of Jesus,a spiritual body. so what kind of body does jesus have? it can pass through walls. Remember when he appeared to Thomas? he did not pass by the door.
    so if the soul will take a body like that of Jesus then you my friend can pass through walls.

    That sounds like power to me. no physical limitations hmmm that sounds like God to me. and you will become THAT.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb;5767574[B
    ]ang "Kingdom of God within you" mao na siya ang Simbahan ..... Church is a Spiritual Kingdom not a Building that is why it is within you ....

    The Image of God in Revelation is reality in the vision of John .... complete like human and is not figurative but so literal .... hes form is like human but He is a Spirit ... walay impossible sa Ginoo ...

    Base sa ato nga passage iyaha pa gani gi hikap john kay ning luhod niya ... sa ato pa naa siya kamot.

    Sa iyaha Mouth nang gawas ang Word of God which is the Bible ... sa ato pa naa siya Baba.
    simbahan is the kingdom of God? naunsa nah! naa s bible nga GOD DOES NOT DWELL IN A TEMPLE MADE BY HANDS, unya nganong niingun mn ka nga Simbahan na? ... layoa ra oi ....
    Church is a Spiritual Kingdom not a Building that is why it is within you ....
    naunsa naman ni ^_^ kung mohisgot tag spiritual pasabot ana kay dili physical, but chruch is physical. unya nganong makasulti ka nga church is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM not a BUILDING?

    Vision lang lage nang revelation dili na literal, kato diay mga horsemen sa revelation bale HORSEMEN jud diay to sila literally? i dont think so.


    @kebot, di lang ko makiglalis nimo ky cgurado ko wa koy kaya s tinuod lang ^_^, pero ang ako lang ky mali jud kaayo ni ang pagtuo sa katawhan., lalimang kag descending og ascending ang gihisgutan physically., kung mao na aw ang heaven is physical then God is also physical pud diay, mali jud kaayo boss....... aw nalikoy naman ninuon ko sa topic ^_^ ..
    Last edited by hizuka007; 10-21-2009 at 01:30 PM.

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