[QUOTE=guilliam;5717874]good suggestion boss. will take a video of the routine. unfortunately i cant have my tzu's with a prong collar. will have my gr or gsd as for the demo
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just an input bai,u can train dogs no matter how large especially young dogs not just by prong/pinch collar or any other punitive methods.the use of prongs are are more so prehistoric & are ideally for large-aggressive dogs with behavioral issues,with which is advocated by 'old school' dog trainers like koehler,saunders & the likes.in fact,i havent used any prongs or even chokers in training my rotts,especially the heel part,they wear chokers only now when they're mature enough & in dog shows.use positive reinforcement more in dealing with training & more so,i could assist u in going through the process.