RELIGION....(part 2)

[Cardinal Bunal]

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"It was fitting that she, who had seen her Son upon the cross and who had thereby received into her
heart the sword of sorrow which she had escaped in the act of giving birth to him, should look upon
him as he sits with the Father."

Thank you for locating that..... And now they say that despite the pontiff quoting it and affirming it he was "not speaking infallibly."

being sinless does NOT necessarily mean that Mary was preserved from the pains of childbirth or of other hardships.

Hardships, yes but if we consistently follow the teaching of the Roman church she has not experienced corruption or death (even Christ had to die!) so to be consistent, she must have escaped the consequences of Gen. 3: 15.

That is exactly the allegiance of the Church: to Jesus Christ and His Gospel as written by the Apostles. The Catholic Church is the ONLY Church to have a DIRECT and UNBROKEN line of FORMAL authority from the Apostles. Your "church" doesn't. The Catholic Church the ONLY one that has kept faithful to the original teachings of Christ as passed on by His Apostles, the "Deposit of Faith".

Nope it is the apostate church. I've proven from Scripture many times in here, and in this thread's locked and buried predecessor.

[tolstoi]

kanus-a pa kaha ni magdaug diri..matapos nalang ang kalibutan

[off^tangent]

ang Ginoo ra mismo makapaundang aning lalis bahin sa relihiyon, ug samtang dili pa mobalik diri sa kalibutan magpadayon gyud ni...

[makusama]

a·pos·tate (ə-pŏs'tāt', -tĭt) pronunciation

n.

One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.

ngeks!

Catholic = Meaning Universal
Protestant = Meaning rebelde! ni protesta!

Who is abandoning who?

Historical fact na ang Catholic Church gikan ni Jesus passed down to Peter.. other Orthodox church mao ra gihapon kgikan gihapon sa mga disciples and apostles samtang ang imoha asa kaha na gipunit and kinsa kaha gahimo ana... kinsa may founder ana bai? ayaw ko ingna ni sulpot lang na og kalit.... ang Roman Catholic Church naa may lista and historically proven... bisan si Dan Brown mu angkon man gani na anti Catholic tong okoya to!

Bro sige ka og daot sa Roman Catholic Church.. ikaw asa man diay ka na simbahan? Ma-waw ka sa imong simbahan? isulti na kay aron atong ma research and matan-aw nato kung kinsa gyud ang founder ana....

From what scripture did you get this? ho wrote it? and who interpreted it? and who interpreted it? basin gikan nasad ni sa Gospel ni Cardinal Bunal?

Nope it is the apostate church. I've proven from Scripture many times in here, and in this thread's locked and buried predecessor.

[makusama]

Founder of the Jewish Faith - Abraham

Founders of famous protestant religions:

Mormons - Joseph Smith
Seventh Day Adventist - Ellen G. White
Iglesia ni Cristo - Felix Manalo
Dating Daan - Eli Soriano

Founder of teh Roman Catholic Church - St. Peter (Christ's Disciple)

Basin mu ingon nasad ka na si Jesus ang founder sa imo Church...
na hala...
sige... klarohon nato og samot..

kinsa man nag una og lead sa imo church na gihatagan og responsibility ni Jesus/God? Nagkita na sila sa Ginoo?

Si Abraham nagkasturya man sila...

si Peter and other apostles (who are founders of different churches but same teaching) ma consider man gani nimo na murag Barkada sila ni Jesus...

Ang founder sa inyo Church kinsa man? Unya kanus-a man sila ingna ni Jesus na Pag lead og pag tukod og simbahan?

naa man gyud nay nag una una brad... gikan sa atong ginoo na si Jesus Christ kinsa may iyang gipasahan jangtod naabopt sa imong simbahan.. sige kuno beh.. trace kuno... kung wala ka kahibalo ask your church for all you know kinsa kha moy nag tukod2x ana...

[makusama]

Hardships, yes but if we consistently follow the teaching of the Roman church she has not experienced corruption or death (even Christ had to die!) so to be consistent, she must have escaped the consequences of Gen. 3: 15.

ang tawag sa mga katloico ani brad kay Assuption of Mary into Heaven....

Gi "Assume" nlang na ni diretso siya sa langit body and soul because if you research ila nang gi kawt ang lubnganan ni Mary a few years after she died unya wala na didto and lawas mao na nag "haka2x"... "duda2x"... "namasin".. sila na basin na apil og adto sa langit ang lawas.... THIS IS NOT CERTAIN AND THE CHURCH SAYS SO. Mao bitaw na gitawag og "ASSUMPTION of Mary into heaven". and not "MARY NOT DYING AND WENT TO HEAVEN".. wala may naga sulti sad brad na si Mary wala namatay...

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pi...s-deus_en.html

hala gibutangan tika og link sige pangitaa asa diha naka suwat na wala namatay si Mary...

Hahay research lagi...

if you are wondering ngano medjo dali kaayo ko makareply and medjo assertive ko... kay sa una Brad nagduda sad ko (pwerteng daghana nako og pangutana.. pwede pa tika listahan sa akong mga pangutana.. abot pa gani og existence of God... freewill and the all knowingness of God... exact definition of what can be considered a God)... mao na nag research ko... nanigurado ko.. medjo uwaw .. murag walay salig/"faith"... pero mao nay tinu-od nakong gibuhat... pero mas arangan nalang na kaysa magpataka og sulti and accuse og other religions before pa gani nagutana unya nag pa explain...

kung gusto ka makasabot og Katoliko ayaw pangutana og preotestante adto pangutana sa usa ka katoliko na naay alam...

ako sa una gusto sad ko makasabot og protestante.. guess unsa ako gibuhat?.... Siyempre nangutana ko og protestante.

Logical and Common Knowledge diba...?

[oliver_g0110]

hehe tsk tsk maka research man jud ta ani nga topic. graveh! hehehe

i do hope that walay magsinumbagay dri ha? hehehe peace!

[makusama]

hehehe medjo kapoy gyud brad... pero kung nag duda/ nanigurado ka sa imong faith mag research gyud ka... unsaon taman na nagduda man ko sa una....

Ang sala sa Roman Catholic Religion kay nagpalabi sila og padako unya dili sila kaapas og tudlo sa sakto nilang mga teachings sa tanan nilang "membro"... that is the reason na ang uban diha na katoliko kuno mag bu-ot2x unya magpaka ulaw na hinu-on sa simbahan.. na bad image na hinu-on...

sa akong gamay na mahatag na tudlo og tabang.. basin pa diay maka hatag ta og gamay na hayag sa mga tao na naay mga pangutana unya walay mu tubag or kapoyan... tapolan.... way alam so magpataka.. og maghimo2x og storya...

[makusama]

dili sad ko manung og bagay brad bisan unhan pako ninyo og sumbag kay.. ako kung ingon ana pa nakulatahan na unta ko sa mga pari og mga suhitohon na katolico sa una... grabe man gyud ko mudala og pangutana... pero nakapasabot gyud sila nako with proof...

ako dili nu-on kaayo ko maayo but sa mahinumdoman lang...

[oliver_g0110]

true! but as for me bai noh you won't get the truth man bai if you are not prepared to accept it or if you are already on the state of rejecting such ideas.

we share here lang but if you dont like other people's opinion so be sports lang ta ana and then never put down anyone who's not at your wavelength. ayt? chill lang ta bai. naglabad na akong ulo og basa sa mga postings nga grabeh ka daghan og grabeh ka lawom hehehe.

it is not religion than can save ya but it is how you lay down all your burdens and sins to God and admit that you have sinned and you want to change and you want to become His child. na nicomment na nuon ko hehehe