Legalize Abortion?

[rebelde]

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so kanang nag-legalize na sa abortion sa uban nasud wa na sila nituo sa ginoo nio brod?

[mannyamador]

Opps... double post. Deleted

[mannyamador]

Lagman's claims that the RH bill favors both natural Family Planning and artificial methods equally is an outright lie. The claim is contradicted both by the actual text of the bill itself and the very actions of the bill's supporters. This is definitely proven in the short position paper distributed in the House of Representatives below.


A Biased and Contradictory Bill
The Catholic Position on the RH Bill: A Biased and Contradictory Bill

The Reproductive Health Bill has a glaring self-contradiction.

In Section 3, where the “Guiding Principles” of the RH Bill are listed, it is stated that:

a. In the promotion of reproductive health there should be no bias for either modern or natural methods of family planning;

However, the text of the Bill itself clearly prefers and encourages the use of artificial contraceptives, thus violating one of its own “Guiding Principles”

• In Section 5-f-(1), it is said that the proposed Reproductive Health Care Program will be implemented with the following components:
  
  
  (1) Reproductive and sexual health education including but not limited to counseling on the full range of legal and medically-safe family planning methods including surgical methods;
  
  It bears asking: if the Bill claims to establish equality between artificial and natural family planning, then why does it give special mention to “surgical methods”? Nowhere in the bill will we find NFP being given the same kind of special mention. It is obvious that the Bill has a bias for artificial methods (such as surgical ones).
  
  
• There is an entire Section – Section 9 – which requires all national and local government hospitals to make tubal ligation and vasectomy services available, with such services even qualifying for PhilHealth benefits. Why is there no similar proviso making natural family planning services required in all hospitals? Why are there no provisions for benefits for those who want to avail of NFP?
  
  
• In Section 10, contraceptives (in short, artificial – not natural – “family planning”) are declared to be “essential medicines”. All national and local hospital and other government health units are required to regularly purchase supplies of contraceptives. In contrast, there is no requirement for the same units to invest in purchasing educational and other materials necessary for the dissemination of information on Natural Family Planning (NFP).

Recently, more proof has come out that the supporters of the RH Bill are biased against Natural Family Planning.

The Iglesia Ni Cristo has, in recent days, upheld artificial contraception while condemning natural family planning. This, in effect, requires any member of the INC who wishes to practice family planning to use contraceptives.

If the supporters of the RH Bill are, as they say, not biased against NFP, then they should denounce the Iglesia Ni Cristo with equal fervor for condemning NFP, as they are now condemning the Roman Catholic Church for not accepting artificial contraception.

In fact, the supporters of the RH Bill are praising the INC to the high heavens for being so “enlightened” as to support artificial contraceptives while saying nothing about the INC’s condemnation of natural family planning. In the same way, the supporters of the RH Bill are crucifying the Catholic Church with their malicious propaganda even as they are giving no attention to its support for NFP.

THE FACTS ARE CLEAR:

The RH Bill is BIASED IN FAVOR OF ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTION.

The RH Bill’s supporters are BIASED IN FAVOR OR ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTION and AGAINST NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING.

All of these sections of the bill, and the behavior of this bill’s proponents, prove that this “Reproductive Health Bill” is dangerously full of lies and proposals that contradict its own principles.

A law as shabbily and deviously written as this does not deserve to pass.

This paper was distributed in the House of Representatives by pro-life advocates in 2008


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PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS! NO TO THE COERCIVE, ABORTIFACIENT-PROMOTING RH BILL (HB 5043)!
Please sign the petition AGAINST the so-called Reproductive Health Bill (HB5043)

[watchOut09]

NO to this Bill!
they should be focusing on improving the lives of the Filipino people!

[giddyboy]

One of the highest forms of hypocrisy...

Catholic bank owned (birth control) pill shares

A Roman Catholic bank in Germany has apologised after admitting it bought stocks in defence, tobacco and birth control companies.

Der Spiegel newspaper discovered the bank had invested 580,000 euros (£495,310, $826,674) in British arms company BAE Systems.

It also invested 160,000 euros in American birth control pill maker Wyeth and 870,000 euros in tobacco companies.

The bank apologised for behaviour "not in keeping with ethical standards".

Pax Bank has previously advertised ethical investment funds, specifically claiming to avoid arms and tobacco companies along with organisations that do not adhere to Catholic beliefs.

The Catholic Church has historically condemned the use of contraception, for breaking the link between *** and procreation - a view emphatically upheld by current Pope Benedict XVI.

In the past he has called birth control a "grave sin".

full article:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Catholic bank owned pill shares

NO TO ABORTION!
YES TO THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL!!!

[giddyboy]

High maternal mortality will not be alleviated through birth control.

of course it can't. but the RH Bill can. The RH Bill is not all about "birth control" u know. and this was confirmed by Likhaan saying the Reproductive health bill could reduce maternal mortality in Philippines.

article link:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/200...ilippines.aspx

and labeling the RH Bill as a "birth control" measure is a misnomer. The bill is principally about rights, health and sustainable human development. and if u call this BS, wa nakoy mahims ana.

The cause of high maternal mortality is the lack of basic facilities and health care personnel (such as midwives). Perhaps over 90% of maternal mortality cases will be eliminated through improving these alone, and these cana slo be used for other needs as well (such as providing basic health care and hygiene).

well, u just answered it yourself! well, only partially though. but not only that. it's also the lack of family planning and knowledge thereof.

The RH Bill will address high maternal mortality by:
(1) Increasing and improving midwives for skilled birth attendance. Every city and municipality shall endeavor to employ an adequate number of midwives and other skilled attendants.
(2) Increasing and improving emergency obstetrics care. Each province and city shall endeavor to ensure the establishment and operation of hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel that provide emergency obstetrics care.
(3) Improving hospital-based family planning. Family planning methods requiring hospital services like ligation, vasectomy and IUD insertion shall be available in all national and local government hospitals.
(4) Increasing capability building of community-based volunteer workers. The workers shall undergo additional and updated training on the delivery of reproductive healthcare services and shall receive not less than 10-percent increase in honoraria upon successful completion of training.
(5) Increased information and access to natural and modern family planning, including maternal, infant and child health and nutrition. Enhanced programs in prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion complications.

and unsay "perhaps 90%"? unsa taghap taghap lang diay na imoha? u don't have figures at all!

and FYI, here's some trivia for you:

What are the primary causes of maternal deaths?
• Up to 15% cent of pregnant women in ALL population groups experience potentially fatal complications — 20 million women each year.
• More than 80 % of maternal deaths worldwide are due to five direct causes:
Unsafe abortion (14%)
Severe bleeding (21%)
Infection (8%)
Eclampsia (13%)
Obstructed Labor (8%)
Other direct causes (11%)
Indirect Causes* (25%)

*Indirect causes include: anemia, malaria, heart disease.
Source: Understanding the Causes of Maternal Deaths. Distance Learning Pilot Course. UNFPA, 2001.

as u already knew too well, persistently high maternal mortality is a violation of women’s right to health and life. Maternal Mortality Rate (MMR) is 162 out of 10,000 live births. (Family Planning Survey 2006).

One in three deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth could be avoided if women who wanted effective contraception had access to it. (The Lancet’s Maternal Survival Series (2006), 2005 World Health Report: Make Every Mother and Child Count (WHO), and WHO/UNICEF/UNFPA maternal mortality estimates from 2000)

What is the proportion of all births in RP that are attended to by a skilled health professional?

Only 57% of all births are attended to by skilled health professionals. Almost half or 43% of pregnant women do not receive assistance from a doctor, midwife of nurse during childbirth (NDHS 2003). 2 out of 3 deliveries happen at home.

What is the percentage of women who receive prenatal care from a doctor?

45.4% of pregnant women get prenatal care from doctors; 64% from midwives; and 7.7% from nurses. (Family Planning Survey 2002)

Can family planning help lower maternal deaths?

Ten women die everyday in the Phils from pregnancy and childbirth related causes but for every mother who dies, roughly 20 more suffer serious disease and disability. The UNFPA office in the Philippines declared that family planning can help prevent maternal deaths by 35%.

It is important to remember that infants whose mothers die in childbirth are three to 10 times more likely to die before their first birthdays than those whose mothers survived.

One in three deaths related to pregnancy and childbirth could be avoided if women who wanted effective contraception had access to it. (The Lancet’s Maternal Survival Series (2006), 2005 World Health Report: Make Every Mother and Child Count (WHO), and WHO/UNICEF/UNFPA maternal mortality estimates from 2000)

Does effective contraception (MFP & NFP) have the potential to contribute to better maternal health?

Effective contraception leads to better spacing of pregnancies, helps women avoid unwanted pregnancies, reduces the chances of malnutrition for the mother and therefore has the potential to contribute to her overall well-being.
If women could avoid high risk pregnancies, the number of maternal deaths would fall be at least 25%.

source:
Maternal Health (Basic Stats) | Take Action: Reproductive Health Philippines

Pregnancy is NOT a disease that causes maternal mortality.

It is clear that although pregnancy is not a disease, it is fraught with risks, especially for women who have unremitting pregnancies or are more than 35 years old and for mothers who are 18 years old or younger.

Persistently high maternal mortality is a violation of women’s right to health and life. but i guess u want to turn a blind eye to this right by denying the people's demand for a national reproductive health program.

they should be focusing on improving the lives of the Filipino people!

of course, that's why the lawmakers are pushing for a comprehensive RH Bill. Reproductive health is a basic human right. The RH Bill is a health measure...and by improving that rights and health, you are also improving the lives of the Filipino people!

The final say on reproductive health belongs to you.
Don’t let the Catholic Church dictate its rules on your local legislators. Don’t sign over all your health and reproductive choices to men who have little practical experience in matters of life, love, and sexual well-being. Stand up for your rights today.

The RH Bill is a matter of national policy and not of faith.

Send a message to our legislators: "We will not let religious dogma trump the health and well-being of Filipino citizens. We are not beholden to clerics."

NO to abortion!
Take Action!!!
YES TO THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL!

[Warnok]

ang PILIPINAS pobre kay overpopulated, dyutay ra ang ang abot unya daghan ang mukaon...sa usa ka pamilya, kung ang kita gamay ra unya ang mukaon usa ka dosena, unsa man mahitabo...dili mabusog, dili ka eskwela. ..so ang epekto...dili katarung ug panghunahuna, dili katarung ug boto, ...ang epekto...bati ang mapili nga presedente.....guba ang gobyerno...patay tanan......MAO...uyon ko sa reproductive bill pero PARTLY lng,,,dapat adto lng na iforce sa mga gahi ug ulo, ug sa mga tapulan...unya dili unta sa tanan panahon nga maminaw ta sa mga pari...

[radnop]

no di ko sugot

[giddyboy]

This is an answer to belie the critics' claims that family planning will lead to a demographic winter...

Demographic Winter
By Ramon Garcia on August 13th, 2008

DEMOGRAPHIC WINTER

A “demographic winter” or a zero population growth rate is the marked decrease in the number of births in a country and this aging of the population is being experienced in varying degrees by some highly industrialized nations. Experts led by UP Economics professors have declared in a paper entitled “Population and Poverty: The Real Score” that given the excruciatingly slow decrease in our Total Fertility Rate, a so-called demographic winter will not happen in the country for “at least another 100 years”.

According to the projections of the National Statistics Coordination Board, if our TFR continues to decrease by 0.2 children every five years, replacement fertility of 2.1 children will be achieved only by 2040. However, the effects of “population momentum” or the continuous increase in population will go on for another 60 years by which time the population of the country would have reached 240 million. In the case of Thailand, it currently has what is called “below-replacement fertility” for some time now and yet its population continues to grow because of population momentum.

In other words, a so-called “demographic winter” is being peddled as a scare tactic by people who are unfamiliar with population dynamics or worse, those whose intent is to confuse people and muddle the issue.

POPULATION MOMENTUM

Population momentum has “virtually assured” the Philippines “of substantial population increases, whatever happens to fertility levels” (Todaro 1994). Herrin and Castelo (1996) in their study Sources of Future Population Growth in the Philippines and Implication for Public Policy reported that of the estimated increase of 37.1 million in population from 1995 to 2020, 66.3 percent will be due to population momentum, 18.1 percent to high family size preferences, and 15.6 percent to unwanted fertility.

More simply put, population momentum is an effect which causes population growth even when the total fertility rate has slowed down or even gone down to below replacement levels. Specifically, it refers to the percentage of the population that are in their child bearing years who have not yet had children and thus are expected to eventually have children. Because the Philippines has a huge percentage of young people who still have not entered their childbearing years, instead of decreasing, our population will actually dramatically increase even if our population growth rate continues to go down.

To mitigate the effects of “population momentum”, there is need for a more dramatic decline in population growth rate.

source:
Demographic Winter | Take Action: Reproductive Health Philippines

NO to Abortion!
Take Action!
YES TO THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL!!!

[giddyboy]

That has been done several times. But the hardliners like Lagman and his cohorts are too fanatical and greedy to budge.

what has been done several times, your talk w/ them? or your constant opposing of the RH Bill?

remember, the church are only there to present their opinion but not to get what they want. While we should respect the church's opinion, the RH Bill is a matter of national policy, but not of faith.

who is greedy to budge here by the way? the legislators who listens to the pulse of the people or those who don't listen to the pulse of the people like you?

Fortunately, pro-lifers have had better luck with the more reasonable legislators.

well, same here. fortunately, pro-RH peeps have had better luck w/ the more reasonable legislators like Manny Villar, Chiz Escudero, Pia Cayetano, Baraquel, etc., and other people too! fact of that is the 130 legislators who support the bill. another fact is also 6 out of 10 Pinoys support the bill. and it came from Pulse Asia ha, not SWS.

So, we can come to several conclusions (from this post and previous ones)

• The RH bill promotes abortifacient contraceptives
• You are gay.
• The RH bill is useless
• The RH Bill is coercive
• The SWS surveys are flawed (since 1992)
• You are a liar.

well, here's mine:

• The RH Bill doesn't promote abortifacient contraceptives. W.H.O. does not consider contraceptives as abortifacient.
• I am not gay. (I already challenged you to meet me face to face. I don't mean like a fistfight, a gun duel or something like that but just like an EB, perhaps over coffee. that thing about my wife was just an exagge and another story)
• You are gay. A picture paints a thousand words. but don't get me wrong, I am not against gays.
• The RH Bill is useful. The bill is principally about rights, health, and sustainable development.
• The RH Bill is not coercive. though there are certain provisos that is perceived by some as coercive, these critics should welcome invitations by legislators to talk about it, offer amendments, etc.
• The Pulse Asia survey (6 out of 10 Pinoys support RH) is not flawed. while the other survey from SWS was criticized as being flawed, the SWS survey results (7 out of 10 Pinoys support RH) are close to the results of Pulse Asia. You cannot say Pulse Asia is flawed coz SWS is.
• Your statements reeks not only of being a liar, yours also reeks of genuine bigotry.

NO to abortion!
YES to the Reproductive Health Bill!