Science and Bible Accuracies, A Magnificent God!

[kebotDiNaMute]

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SURE JUD NI KEBOT MAO NI ANG PORMA SA STAR... MURAG PAROL BA!

aghoy ka peligro bsin ako ma staran diri! mura punch out! kadula pa ba mga oldskul ani diri?

[handsoff241]

^you should ask that for tarpolano.

[tatakalz]

Science will affirm that the Bible is for REAL. so far it affirms the Bible and we got proof? REJOICE Christians!

Well it is fair to say you have taken sides without understanding. I am not so sure there is a side. I personally do not see how scientific understanding would prevent you from an irrational belief anyway. All you have to do is say, "Well, this is how it works, but god did it." and you are good to go.

Although - by your own admission, you do not understand the scientific side of it - but rather than do some research, you have decided to discard it and just go with faith in a god.

And because you have taken sides based on a pre-existing belief - you assume that is what everyone else does. Because you do not understand evolution for example - you have decided that no one else does and therefore they just have faith. Not that they have done any research and allowed themselves to be convinced in a rational way.

PEACE...

[kebotDiNaMute]

Well it is fair to say you have taken sides without understanding. I am not so sure there is a side. I personally do not see how scientific understanding would prevent you from an irrational belief anyway. All you have to do is say, "Well, this is how it works, but god did it." and you are good to go.

Although - by your own admission, you do not understand the scientific side of it - but rather than do some research, you have decided to discard it and just go with faith in a god.

And because you have taken sides based on a pre-existing belief - you assume that is what everyone else does. Because you do not understand evolution for example - you have decided that no one else does and therefore they just have faith. Not that they have done any research and allowed themselves to be convinced in a rational way.

PEACE...

"you do not understand the scientific side of it"
--- Tsk tsk tsk! niether do you brad.. you see you are no scientist among us. Brad just because i have my God i did not do my research. Brad sorry ha but your idea of scientific data.. niether did you got the first hand information. So don't assume i do not understand... we only acquire it not tested it...

--- the point brad is how come so many of these things has been proven true and correct. Yet they are written long before science makes it FOOTING. Brad I know you wont believe it EITHER...

Telling people what they know is just a suicide to your own LOGIC. Brad don't tell me you are better than the rest because I WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOU EITHER. Sorry.

hahay!

[tarpolano]

Nice find.. it does show how intelligent the people who wrote the bible it is as they say man's first poor attempt in making sense of everything which is science. And we shouldn't deny their achievements albeit not enough but a good try though. And like any other science books that are behind its times and outdated it should be laid aside.

[tatakalz]

"you do not understand the scientific side of it"
--- Tsk tsk tsk! niether do you brad.. you see you are no scientist among us. Brad just because i have my God i did not do my research. Brad sorry ha but your idea of scientific data.. niether did you got the first hand information. So don't assume i do not understand... we only acquire it not tested it...

--- the point brad is how come so many of these things has been proven true and correct. Yet they are written long before science makes it FOOTING. Brad I know you wont believe it EITHER...

Telling people what they know is just a suicide to your own LOGIC. Brad don't tell me you are better than the rest because I WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOU EITHER. Sorry.

hahay!

im just putting my opinion an im entitled on it..im not forcing anybody to or even you to fall into my ideas....just my peace of nutshell...

hope we can discuss this thread with full attention....im not startin' a fire here...

Peace...

[tatakalz]

There are:

1. Facts
2. Interpretation of Facts
3. Conclusions drawn from the interpretations
4. Context for those conclusions which include:
A. Culture
B. Education
C. Family Background
D. Econmic status
E. Pre-Existing Ideas
F. etc. etc. etc.


Example for both religion and science:

Actual facts:
The "fact" is that somebody wrote the bible.
The "fact" is that somebody wrote down some temperature measurement.s

Example of interpretations:
God exists and reveals his nature.
The world is getting warmer.

Examples of conclusions:
Get right or go to hell
Stop driving cars or the world will heat up so much that we'll all die.

I don't think it's necessary for me to give examples of context.

We accept "facts" If we don't meaure the data ourselves or get the divine revelation ourselves we have "faith" in the recorder of the data.

From that point on we start interpreting based on previous conclusions, interpretaitons and current and previous context.

This inevitabley leads to error in both science and theology.

[kebotDiNaMute]

im just putting my opinion an im entitled on it..im not forcing anybody to or even you to fall into my ideas....just my peace of nutshell...

hope we can discuss this thread with full attention....im not startin' a fire here...

Peace...

You are entitled to your opinion as long as YOU are not pointing it to someone. I just caught you. Anyway at least you realized.

[tatakalz]

here we go again....anyways....

Despite your recent post about everything being taken on faith, I only ever really hear that argument from believers in a god, because it somehow brings a faith in a god up to the same level as believing you will fall to your death if you step out of the window of a ten storey building. Therefore just as valid.
As for science clashing with god - it depends on the level of irrationality of your beliefs. If you are firmly convinced that we were created in our present form you are inevitably going to see any evidence to the contrary as a threat to your belief system. Which must then come crashing down as it is based on false information. Hence the aggressive attacks on evolution as "just another religion."
If, on the other hand you are prepared to accept the wonders of the natural world as they are, rather than as you would like them to be, you can then rationalize your belief in a god by saying what I suggested. As the catholic church and many other believers have done. And as we expand our true knowledge of the way the universe works, those beliefs will have to get pushed further back in time until eventually you can say "Well, sure there was a big bang, and the universe is billions of years old - but god did it. "

[kebotDiNaMute]

here we go again....anyways....

Despite your recent post about everything being taken on faith, I only ever really hear that argument from believers in a god, because it somehow brings a faith in a god up to the same level as believing you will fall to your death if you step out of the window of a ten storey building. Therefore just as valid.
As for science clashing with god - it depends on the level of irrationality of your beliefs. If you are firmly convinced that we were created in our present form you are inevitably going to see any evidence to the contrary as a threat to your belief system. Which must then come crashing down as it is based on false information. Hence the aggressive attacks on evolution as "just another religion."
If, on the other hand you are prepared to accept the wonders of the natural world as they are, rather than as you would like them to be, you can then rationalize your belief in a god by saying what I suggested. As the catholic church and many other believers have done. And as we expand our true knowledge of the way the universe works, those beliefs will have to get pushed further back in time until eventually you can say "Well, sure there was a big bang, and the universe is billions of years old - but god did it. "

"And as we expand our true knowledge of the way the universe works"
--- hahaha sayantes najud.. hahaha! Ok mister sayantes... who is attacking who on this thread? huh?

--- pst listen kadungog naka ani? It said "SCIENCE OF PREDICTION".
Discovery Channel - Nostradamus

"If, on the other hand you are prepared to accept the wonders of the natural world as they are"
--- did the Bible just predicted? why are you refusing to believe on this science? Tell you what you are practically confused of Science maybe you overload your self on the faith to contradict Bible... hahaha! as expected, you are no science Fan. You only choose what you want to believe.

Brad if you don't believe it then don't Im not pushing this Idea to you! Its not FIT for you I guess! if you don't want to start a fire then stop. That's it. I just posted this to strengthen the Christian Faith, I did not attack your FAITH ok! Relax!