Let's talk about Mormons

[Talkative101]

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ok ra dri bai ky naa mn cla maddoxx og c cromagnon dri.. missionary in the net ni cla.. hehee!!

hehehe..ok bitaw.. bilib ko ni maddox... hinoun, he went to a mission and became RM (return missionary) mao well informed ka ayo siya.. well, usa ko sa member pero dli pa ka ayo well informed. hehehe...

[SioDenz]

@maddoxx & cromagnon: tnx sa inyo shares and info bros, Ive really appreciated who u are & what u are especially in ur church. we are christians in different religion but we have one mission & vision. in other words we are not uniform but we are united through the path of the Lord.

yeah, and discussions like this will help sa mga open minded nga nangita ug answers. And at the end, it will be between God and us...

Peace....

[redline]

hehehe..ok bitaw.. bilib ko ni maddox... hinoun, he went to a mission and became RM (return missionary) mao well informed ka ayo siya.. well, usa ko sa member pero dli pa ka ayo well informed. hehehe...

apila c cromagnon bro bisan gentile ni cya ky ingon c christ apilon rba.. heehh!!! peace bro

[Talkative101]

apila c cromagnon bro bisan gentile ni cya ky ingon c christ apilon rba.. heehh!!! peace bro

hehehehe...he is before.. and i respect that kung unsa siya karon...

ana man dyud na bro.. naay mag pa bilin naa sad magpadayon..

so ato lang buhaton... lets learn sa ilang e share dri...

[maddox22]

Hi saijo_18. Sorry na delay ang answers ani.

Even though I don't go to church that much and pray, I still believe on what I believe... I won't transfer in any religion because I don't have faith, nor I am curious of some religion.

I couldn't agree more. Curiosity is not key to one's conversion. It may help though, greatly.

I mean, I still don't get it, DO YOUR REALLY NEED TO TRANSFER TO OTHER RELIGION SO THAT YOU WILL BE CLOSER TO GOD?! AND TO STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH?!

You are basically right. But there are others who feel that by transferring to another religion they can surround themselves with people who are quiet more spiritual which is what he might really need at that particular moment. He may have some problems and is feeling discouraged. Having a more spiritual environment than what he experiences from his current church might help.

I know a lot of people who have experienced this. I can't blame them; in fact as I've witnessed this has helped them.

But still like I said one's conversion must be rooted on knowledge of what is true. And truth must be seeked sincerely.

-- dba?! as what I've said, we have the same Bible, although, lain lang ang stories pagka sulti, but generally, THESAME! ----- It's all matter to YOURSELF if you believe in God and his son on how you believe it, IT HAS A LOT OF WAYS (like attending prayer meetings, join some prayer group, go to church, reading the bible, etc. Tanan man naa'y ways to believe in God)!!!. on how you bring your self as what religion you have. on how you understand your religion. basta, unta na gets ko ninyo... hehehe...

+ cguro, I think that's the difference to other religions na daghan mag transfer na tao 'coz they are active to church and other stuffs... in Catholic, you are free as you want, you don't need to pay or push to attend to the mass, it's the matter of having freedom in the religion. Cguro that's the reason people transfer to other religion, but as what I've said earlier, naa ra sa imoha, on how you handle your religion... I'm just so pissed man gud to other people because ilang ga apil2x ang word na "faith" and "closer to God" as their reason ngano ni balhin cla.

I think for my own opinion --- people who transfer to other religion has NO FAITH at all (dba?! if e connect2x nimo, they transfer to other religion to strengthen their faith or to find faith?!)! for me, the word "faith" is a really big something to myself, dili nimo cya ma explain basta2x, it's like Faith is the thing to believe in God. if you don't have faith, you don't believe in God.



other explanation that I have : My boyfriend said that it's because "beliefs"
but if your goin' to explain about beliefs. I know, every religion has different beliefs... but first of all, if you don't have faith in your own religion and in your own God, you don't believe in their beliefs... you area a weak person... we have the same God, the same stories, but different lang pagka sulti, same everything... i just don't get it why they need to transfer, nagpa ila ka lang na u don't believe in God first of all.

What I can say is, it is each person's responsibility to seek the truth. We should not believe just because we were told to believe. We must be critical thinkers and ask - 'Why am I attending this church now?' God has given wisdom and He expects us to use it.

but in the end, after the discussion of me and my boyfriend --- we still can blame the "religion".
after all the discussion that I've written in here, and to him, he has still the point to explain to me the other side why people transfer to other religion.

- hindi maganda ang structure ng pagkaturo sa kanila kapag ganon
- kulang sa pangaral
- hindi ayos ang foundation
- kaya maraming naliligaw ng landas (ka dum2x lang ko sa LDS Website, about the ad of the "Purpose of life" lol)
- we can't blame them

After all, I think the problem is all about the "structure". People are People, they believe on what others say. you can't tie them on what you want nor push them what you want.

sorry. taas kaau akong opinion. Hehehe...

Ok lang. Dako-dako pa man ug space ang database sa istorya.

There are varied reasons why people change religious affiliations. Your boyfriend has cited good ones. Reasons vary because human beings are varied.

People are People, they believe on what others say. you can't tie them on what you want nor push them what you want.

Exactly.

Grabeh, ha, can't believe it... nindut jud kaau, dili cya basta2x... Morag Palace na sobra ka nice.
about that, do you also need to pay every month to the church like other religion?! kay grabeh baya kaayo ka nice ang church, dba ang lain religion like INC, they need to pay something %, and that money will be heading to build another church, is it thesame with you guys?! 'coz nice man jud gud pagka design sa mga temples, morag mahal jud ang gasto ba to build one. or they get it from donations and etc.?!

We believe and practice the Law of Tithing. I think cromagnon has already explained above what it is. Anyway, it is giving one-tenth (hence the word 'tithe') of your income to the church. Why? - nothing more than it is a commandment of God. This has been practiced since the Old Testament. Where does the money go? - it supports the operation of the church in functions like:
1. Missionary work
2. Temple constructions, operation, and maintenance
3. Family history
4. Printing and publishing of church literature (most if not all of books & pamphlets are given free to the public and not sold)
5. Church activities (mentioned by cromagnon above)
6. Welfare program
7. Donations and support during calamities
8. etc... daghan pa, can't remember all

We have 'unpaid clergy' though - which means our clergy e.g. Bishops, Stake Presidents, Elder's Quorum Presidents, etc... are not paid salaries. They are called and they render service to the church of their own accord. They or most of them also have daytime jobs.

But for other clergies who devote all their time to their calling like Area Presidents, Mission Presidents, Quorum of the Twelve, etc... don't have time left for daytime jobs because of their duties and responsibilities that comes with their calling, have 'allowances' to support them financially.

very last, to clarify up my knowledge, ALL the Mormons in the Philippines was and NEED to be married in the Temple in Manila?! grabeha gud, how about if they don't have money to travel?! etc?! hehehe

No. It is a goal though for every faithful member of the church to be married in the temple and be with his/her loved one forever. But again, the church lets each member decide for himself on what to do. In this case, one can always marry outside the temple. It is up to him. But the it should be considered that the temple has been provided for us to attain the blessings of Eternal Marriage.

Financial reasons is very understandable and is usually the hindrance despite of a couple's desire to be married in the temple. The church can help financially if they really don't have any money and at the discretion of their Bishop.

That problem has also been considered by the church since before. That's why the church keeps building temples all over the world. Cebu temple is being constructed for example.

That's nice!!! they're going to build in Cebu. asa man sad ang loc?! is bigger than in Manila? that's wonderful kaayo... naa diay ko question, allowed ba ang other tao, ex, like me to go inside the temple to see what's on it. I mean, morag tour bah, kay curious kaayo ko. I would like to hear more explanations about LDS in terms of the structural of the temples. -- I am an open minded person... Curiosity is the beginning of the knowledge. Hehehe...

Yes you may always visit our temples. You can enter only in the waiting hall though. What's inside (I think I've already mentioned) are rooms to perform ordinances where only members of the church who are worthy can enter.

one more thing :
Baptism for the dead, so before nimo e lubong, dapat mo agi sa temple?! what if wala'y temple ang place na asa ka ni puyo, is it okay in the church?!

Baptism for the dead means baptism for those who are already dead. You see, when we die, our spirits go to a certain place, termed as the Spirit World, to wait for the time when Jesus Christ comes to earth again and all the dead will be resurrected.

Baptism for the dead would mean to baptize here on earth the souls of those who are in the Spirit world. Of course dili kawtun ilang lawas sa yuta and dad-on sa temple. That would be horrible. Instead this ordinance is done through a 'proxy'. A member of the church, more preferably a relative, can stand as proxy and be baptized in behalf of the person who is already dead.

For lack of time, I will not dive into more details for this one. Maybe on some other post later. But this ordinance is related to Family History, and is very important.

what are the things that can be done in the church?!

The local chapels serve as a meeting place for members to observe and partake of the Sacrament (comparable to the Catholic mass). It is also a place for members to learn, during Sunday school, the gospel of Jesus Christ. It also serves as a place to perform basic ordinances such sa baptism & ordination. And like sa imo first question why naay mga basketball court, it also serves as a place for people to fellowship and strengthen each other - not only through basketball though, but also through other activities.

what are also the things that can be done in the temple?! and cannot be done in the church?!

I believe I've already posted to answer this. But anyway, 'higher ordinances' such as Temple Marriage, Baptism for the Dead, Endowment, Family Sealing, can only be done in temples and not in local chapels.

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Hope this somehow answered your questions above.

[proud2bbisdak]

ay di ko ganahan sa belief sa mormons kay ana cla nga minaog daw sa earth si God and have *** with Mary mao natawo na si Jesus...agoy sort of blasphemy ba tawag ana....ay conflict ayo sa

[cromagnon]

@maddoxx & cromagnon: tnx sa inyo shares and info bros, Ive really appreciated who u are & what u are especially in ur church. we are christians in different religion but we have one mission & vision. in other words we are not uniform but we are united through the path of the Lord.

Ayaw lang lagi nang lord ug god bay. kay OA ra au paminawn. Yup I agree we have 1 vission

a beeter Brighter future. less people suffering. Much peacful earth. and education for all.

if u say a good preacher - ludo sad ang mag tudlo ug bible oi.

pro mo-inggon hinuon kag a great leader or business man . Motivational leader , kana hinuon ok ra - jus as regnaul said it to me a year ago in person. karon rako nkabaw nga cya diay na si reg dri. lol.

but anyway redline i appreciate everything u show on me. im sure - U're gonna be a great person too . ma Man.

I feel better as an Atheist - pasensya lang mo mga latter day saints.

naa sad diay ko suggest sa mga mormons:

- kung naa bag-o members ba - ayaw dayon ninyo pa lead og prayer kay 1 na sa mga reason nga mauwa na hinuon cla . dili mo balik./

[saijo_18]

@ Maddox, daghan salamat jud kaau sa mga answer... hehehe, super daghan nako na hibaw-an apil pod kang @ Cromagnon. Hehehe...

Kabalo mo, ngano na curious ko ani na religion?!

Kay as what I've said sa mga past posts, ako ning tawhana na curious kaayo, kanang daghan bitaw pangutana, morag reporter morag di ma hutdan og pangutana. mao nah. Hahaha...

anyway, ngano na curious ko?!

katong una, naligo me og dagat w/ my family, naa'y bata ba, buotan kaayo akong nakadula sa dagat. nag swimming2x me, tapos ana cya sa ako while we were talking, unsa imong religion?! ana pod ko na, catholic... tapos wala ko nangutana ha, cya ni ingon, ingon cya na Mormon. tapos dha ko nag start og pagkaila sa mormon. Tapos ingon cya, katuod ka sa among simbahan, ingon ko, wala... tapos ingon cya, kanang dha na place sa corner bitaw (sa Butuan City diay ni), nah naa'y "Basket Ball" mao nah... di jud nako malimtan ang Basket ball. and every time bitaw makakita ko og LSD Church, CDO, BXU or Cebu, pangitaon jud nako permi ang basket ball-lan... Hangtod ni dako nako, mao jud na akong permi buhaton... pangitaon ang basket ball-lan. Hahaha... tapos mo ingon daun ko sa akong self, ahh, kini cya, Mormon church ni cya. mao dayon, since wala ma'y thread na mormon or LDS dri sa istorya... I am so happy to put this one, para ma answer akong tanan questions...

once again! Salamat jud kaayo sa nag answer, esp. sa duha ka tao dri. Maddox and Cromagnon.

[maddox22]

@saijo_18

No probs!

[cromagnon]

@ Saijo

- My pleasure , ur thread can also be benificial to all who wants to know about LDS (mormon) .

TAke care and luv u always nlang . haha

brad @maddox

- au 2 dha sa pampangga - brad.]


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