How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[Tarmac]

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So you still want to defend those who are not paying min wages?

Are you saying I said that?

[al1974]

Are you saying I said that?

Its a question with a question mark.

[Tarmac]

ok, lets try selective hyperwage. Lets start with the helpers- say there will be a law that will dictate that maids should be paid minimum wage law. I think that alone will improve the lives of the maids.

How about that?

Well, now we're finally getting somewhere.

A maid's pay raised to existing minimum wage levels is a lot more acceptable than the tenfold increase in five years espoused by Thads/Fool.

On a side note, we recently gave our driver of one year a large increase after he dropped hints about having three mouths to feed (he makes more than statutory minimum wage by the way). We understood his point totally and were sympathetic. To further ease his burden, we assumed his kids' tuition and school expenses and gave his entire family free medical care. So what does he do? He gets his wife pregnant once again.

[Tarmac]

Its a question with a question mark.

The operative word is "still". Which means you are assuming I defended them before. Please clarify that.

[al1974]

The operative word is "still". Which means you are assuming I defended them before. Please clarify that.

point taken.

So lets all campaign that all maids must be given minimum wage and all employees should at least earn minimum wage.

[foolonthehill]

Mr Tarmac,

ho ho ho ho!

You are showing your ignorace of facts once again.

I do not know him intimately and show me a post that says this. You are wrongly assuming and pretending it to be true. Just like your other posts.

It is so obvious that you claim to have read teh book but everytime you post, I counter you with text from the book that contradicts your point.

I have the read book many times. The same as Al1974. that is why Al1974 and my answers to your questions are the same which is , read the book first. Bec Al and I know that you are shooting from the hip without reading the book.

Al1974 and I also write the same bec we are quoting and sometimes rewriting from the book.

Maybe you noticed that we find many passages in the book that you havent read before and bec of this you judge that i am bentulan. Wrong again.

You are confusing my familiarity with the book with familiarity with bentulan. disabuse yourself of that idea bec i have never claimed or wrote familiarity with the person of the author.

My familariithy with the book is due to reason that any questions i wanted to ask is written in the book.

Al1974 says the same. its allready in the book well thought of. we may be disciples of the book and the author but i havent meet him but i have read his book and his writing is storytelling.

when i defend him against your hubris that he is 1/4 talking about his self, you are exaggerating and you make it against the author and that is unfair.

i am always agains unfair accusations. and I defend the person who is not there to protect himself. he already exposed himself saying he is not an economist and he can be called a lunatic for this theory

and yet, this is the only theory that helps and looks at the maids or helpers.

you are a businessman, and your way of feeling good about yourself is pitying your driver and giving him a little increase bec u pity him.

what about ur helper. do u pity her too/

hyperwage says, you dont have to pity them. let teh govt raise their min. wages. bentulan says 10x is possible, but im sure he wouldnt mine 2x or 3x.

i understood hyperwage in the first chapter alone, and i devoured the book and followed the arguments, after debating with my colleagues i learned to cut and paste ideas from the book bec the debate are all the same every time
inflation?
unemployment/
retirees?
etc

i doubt if you emailed bentulan himself and ask ur questions directly. i doubt if he even knows we are debating and arguing hyperwage theory.

tarmac, youre failure to read the book makes u think that i and al1974 are very konwlegeable abouit it intimate with the author.

your false conclusion is again showing that u make conclusions without proper research.

read the book and then if u disagree, what is your own solution?

You should know, Mr. Foolonthehill. You and Thads Bentulan are one and the same, seeing as how you speak for how him so intimately and how personally aggrieved you have been and lashed out at anyone contesting or questioning your theory.

The part about devoting half of the book to the author's conceit must've really ruffled you no?

That's so pathetic. So, so pathetic.

To borrow unsayngalan's term, emo ra kaayo ka.


P.S. Please don't accuse me of any inability to see hyperbole or parody because you didn't see that in my earlier posts either. Unless what I said hurt because they had a larger element of truth than you were willing to allow?


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[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

Mr Tarmac,

ho ho ho ho!

You are showing your ignorace of facts once again.

I do not know him intimately and show me a post that says this. You are wrongly assuming and pretending it to be true. Just like your other posts.

It is so obvious that you claim to have read teh book but everytime you post, I counter you with text from the book that contradicts your point.

I have the read book many times. The same as Al1974. that is why Al1974 and my answers to your questions are the same which is , read the book first. Bec Al and I know that you are shooting from the hip without reading the book.

Al1974 and I also write the same bec we are quoting and sometimes rewriting from the book.

Maybe you noticed that we find many passages in the book that you havent read before and bec of this you judge that i am bentulan. Wrong again.

You are confusing my familiarity with the book with familiarity with bentulan. disabuse yourself of that idea bec i have never claimed or wrote familiarity with the person of the author.

My familariithy with the book is due to reason that any questions i wanted to ask is written in the book.

Al1974 says the same. its allready in the book well thought of. we may be disciples of the book and the author but i havent meet him but i have read his book and his writing is storytelling.

when i defend him against your hubris that he is 1/4 talking about his self, you are exaggerating and you make it against the author and that is unfair.

i am always agains unfair accusations. and I defend the person who is not there to protect himself. he already exposed himself saying he is not an economist and he can be called a lunatic for this theory

and yet, this is the only theory that helps and looks at the maids or helpers.

you are a businessman, and your way of feeling good about yourself is pitying your driver and giving him a little increase bec u pity him.

what about ur helper. do u pity her too/

hyperwage says, you dont have to pity them. let teh govt raise their min. wages. bentulan says 10x is possible, but im sure he wouldnt mine 2x or 3x.

i understood hyperwage in the first chapter alone, and i devoured the book and followed the arguments, after debating with my colleagues i learned to cut and paste ideas from the book bec the debate are all the same every time
inflation?
unemployment/
retirees?
etc

i doubt if you emailed bentulan himself and ask ur questions directly. i doubt if he even knows we are debating and arguing hyperwage theory.

tarmac, youre failure to read the book makes u think that i and al1974 are very konwlegeable abouit it intimate with the author.

your false conclusion is again showing that u make conclusions without proper research.

read the book and then if u disagree, what is your own solution?

my friend and I read catcher in the rye... but we disagree on holden's character..

[Dakota]

to foolonthehill,

Earlier someone questioned my creditentials, so I provided them. As I mentioned earlier it is acceptable to criticize the idea but not the person. I would appreciate it if you would practice this.
In regards to my questions asked, they were to provide direction on how to further the discussion on how to eliminate poverty in the Philippines. My doing the root cause anaylsis wont help others. Ive cited examples of some countries that have been successful at lifting themselves out of poverty to economic prosperity. The key is they lifted themselves were not lifted. Devote your time to studying the specifics of how they did it, and perhaps you may find models that may carry over to the Philippines. All countries had two common programs, free trade and capitalism.

I will reiterate my opinion before on HWT, it is a Golden Goose fairy tale. No goverment will increase their citizens salaries xfold just to increase their purchasing power. You could spend from now into the end of your days ranting about its virtures but it will accomplish nothing meaningful. You have a better chance at winning the lottery than having HWT enacted.

[Tarmac]

Foolonthehill,

Rant and rave all you want. Nothing changes. You are still a lousy prophet for Hyperwage and poverty alleviation. And still pathetic. You have all the online charisma of a vat of muriatic acid. I hope you're not like that in real life. Good luck with your life.

Perhaps your self-proclaimed personal poverty has other causes. Start by looking at the fool in the mirror.

Not hyperbole, not parody.

[Tarmac]

point taken.

So lets all campaign that all maids must be given minimum wage and all employees should at least earn minimum wage.

That's an excellent starting point.

But even then we still have a labor surplus and enforcement will be spotty. A handful of DOLE people to monitor millions of households.