Who made the BIG BANG - a creator or physics??

[tarpolano]

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[QUOTE=cromagnon;4954593]

kebz,

you forgot one important detail.

SCIENCE doesnt require you to have FAITH.

it doesn require but they jus choose to have it. bec without it you wont accomplish nothing. when Edison made the light bulb,. it took him 5,000x . using the faith he have that its posible/

overrated man kaayo na si Edison.. kana si Tesla hinuon pure genius..

[cromagnon]

the faith in the diagram is called blind faith. and this is the idea that i can't accept such as believing from nothing. im an athiest, what i was trying to emphasize the faith on believing in yourself on accomplishing something. wherein you dont hesitate from jumping on 1 building to another.

Which the kind of faith we practice everyday = which called : applied faith

The Napoleon Hill Foundation

[Hellblazer 2.1]

@tarpolano: i totally agree. nikola tesla is more genius than thomas edison.

[munzter666]

the faith in the diagram is called blind faith. and this is the idea that i can't accept such as believing from nothing. im an athiest, what i was trying to emphasize the faith on believing in yourself on accomplishing something. wherein you dont hesitate from jumping on 1 building to another.

Which the kind of faith we practice everyday = which called : applied faith

The Napoleon Hill Foundation

i think you confuse that with determination/dedication. with regards edison.

[cromagnon]

i think you confuse that with determination/dedication. with regards edison.

Probably ...., can i ask bout ur opinion about the kind of faith referedon the link below:
(this book has nothing to do about religion its' all about success and getting rich)

The Napoleon Hill Foundation

it came from the classic book "Think and Grow Rich" if anyones familiar with it.

[kebot]

kebz,

you forgot one important detail.

SCIENCE doesnt require you to have FAITH.

religion does.



for the second time, science does not deal with ABSOLUTES. they offer PROVISIONAL truths. which mean they are OPEN for revisions and changes when new evidences are presented. and that is not a bad thing. big bang stands cause there is no other BETTER alternative. hey, did they even bother teaching you with the other THEORIES aside from big bang? there was the steady state and others.

compare that one with mud pie magic your dogmatic crew indoctrinated you with. take it with FAITH. no evidence need nor proof.

Ok. to summarize,
1. You said science is self correcting... and this is not bad.
2. No better alternative to BIGBang.
3. Other Theory (steady state tobe specific) don't need proof or evidence because.


Counter:
1. Of course science is self correcting and should be or else it is never the truth (provisional).
If dogma is self correcting then its bullshit. my dogma said he is true to his word now and forever. My dogma does not describe how he created things because dogma does not focus on knowledge, dogma focus on God who is God, how great is God. You have a misconception there. Bible is not Knowledge it is Knowing God. Creation is just a description of how magnificent, intelligence the designer is. You cannot compare Math and Bible. Its not a logical fight.

Its not bad(this is not an issue to get corrected)... Well dogma did not correct itself (major overhaul) for the past 2000 years. So how would you compare a mature knowledge and a experiment project(Big Bang...)? Dont compare bible with science because bible is not against science but it just expand science (walk on water? quantum mechanics says its possible over a millionth chance watch it.)

2. No better alternative. You know what to be honest, Big Bang is indeed exciting why because the project is huge Mars Rover, Hubble Telescope walla its so exciting, Creation is boring no budget. But both are stories both are theory.

Both Claims Observation:

Big Bang Observe a constant radiation... from Universe... (I dont know what are they talking about brad if you can add some more claimed of observation pls do I want an update also...) but failed to point where it happen. They just said it did happen, when somebody said they will triangulate something this excites me...
They constructed Large Hadron Collider track down what really happen to big bang... All of these are yet to be proven but they said they observed. (what? did u observe something monster? )

I hope Faith does not apply to this Claim. Because I am starting to think is Evolution a religion? But I only think about it...

Creation.

Is self explanatory. A designer, created everything. See the patterns. Vegetation are green. Animals metabolize, Complex Ecosystem. And this chance is exclusive to Earth. Y not on other Planet? You see creation everyday no need to find proof.
-short but a lot believe including me.

What ever you prefer, I don't care. If you say science both have science. High-tech lang ang Big Bang to add excitement.. Opinion ni nako ha.

3. Brad if String Theory will be proven, Einstien is toast. Relativity is not applicable to sub atomic matter. Therefore does not apply. According to String Theorist. I don't want to waste time on other theories brad... maybe you can spell it to us. If no proof then its just a plain crap. over and over again.

As for mud pie and dogmatic talk. Well Id better be a fool believing a God than a fool believing humans. Asa na c mud pie rn? Don't be too confident of your idea brad kay hantud karon wala pa jud convincing evidence. Saman hulat napod ta? hahay!

Analogy for you:
Remember BatMan and Robin. Kinsay mas boang nila? hehehe...


Ahak pod nmo pwerte ka daghan nmo claim isa-isa lang unta para d ta ma tagbaw tubag nmo...

[kebot]

it doesn't matter who/what made the big bang, basta the universe is expanding. evolving.

Hell its just a story that needs to be proven right. Again BigBang is a theory... or a STORY... If anyone insist just PROVE IT. we will see. If you cant then we are torn between two story.. Which is better? Its your choice. I have mine...

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Hell its just a story that needs to be proven right. Again BigBang is a theory... or a STORY... If anyone insist just PROVE IT. we will see. If you cant then we are torn between two story.. Which is better? Its your choice. I have mine...

ah, it's ok sir kebs. but as for me, it really doesn't matter. para nako man gud, what good does it do to know what really happened? maybe some things are better left unknown.

[kebot]

i think you confuse that with determination/dedication. with regards edison.

Well don't ever take away his faith that he will be right... you see you are trying to avoid the word FAITH. Why is that? You know what scientist have faith in what they do... that makes them special from the rest creating the impossible and Proving the impossible. But that does not make them right all the time.

Do you know what is the last project of EDISON? to communicate with spirit. But Time runs out he died. But he have faith in what he does right? Don't avoid Faith everyone has it... You just got your pride that's why.

Determination/dedication? are they not associated with FAITH? how do they know they will succeed. FAITH! dba? hahay.

[cromagnon]

boring.... maypa mag tagay


this is a pure collision of EGO , pure and simple/