Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[pOT'73]

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aw proud uy . .

[higanstolsdawen]

ayaw nlng sagol sagola ang terms nga murag chop suey. what u did was a simple comparison between salaries of GSIS and that of teachers or soldiers.

examples: a < b, or a > b (GSIS salaries > teachers) u then ask why can't it be a = b? the answer is my analogy.

that definition u have of "analogy" is from a dictionary. the term analogy doesn't only need a one sentence dictionary to define it but a paragraph (if not a page) of long article like an encyclopaedia to get what exactly it means. inductive and deductive reasoning kapamilya rana ana.

example goes something like this:

A:B::c:d (GSIS:GOCC::depED:agency under SSL)

anyways, enuff of the logic thingy.

and if u have problems w/ the GSIS computerized system don't blame Winston. Blame it on IBM. it was all over the news...

akong pangutana, ngano gi cut man sab ang pension sa imo mama? kabalo ka ngano? wud u care to elaborate? coz if we don't have that information, there is no use discussing it. hanging rice man gud.

asa man diay ko mangeta ug meaning sa word? adto sa bibliya?

ang rason sa GSIS nganong gehunong nila ang pension sa akung inahan kay kutob ra 10 years ang iyang pension. when in fact it is stated in the policy nga lifetime madawat ang pension as long as buhi pa ang pensioner. mau bitaw unta ilang ge update ang mga membership 3 years ago para maconfirm kung buhi pa ba ang nagdawatan sa pension. gecut man henuon ang monthly pension. ang makalagot nagbalik2x ug follow up akung mama sa GSIS engnun lang nga huwaton lang ang cheke kay madawat ra.

[cdburgh]

asa man diay ko mangeta ug meaning sa word? adto sa bibliya?

ang rason sa GSIS nganong gehunong nila ang pension sa akung inahan kay kutob ra 10 years ang iyang pension. when in fact it is stated in the policy nga lifetime madawat ang pension as long as buhi pa ang pensioner. mau bitaw unta ilang ge update ang mga membership 3 years ago para maconfirm kung buhi pa ba ang nagdawatan sa pension. gecut man henuon ang monthly pension. ang makalagot nagbalik2x ug follow up akung mama sa GSIS engnun lang nga huwaton lang ang cheke kay madawat ra.

tinuod na kay among neighbor ni complain sad na iyang pension giputol and she asked the GSIS why. ang rason daw kay ang current GSIS management nihimo resolution to cut the workmen's compensation pension. lifetime unta ang pension pero naka-sulti gud amo neighbor that the decision GSIS only proves that the Juan Luna painting is more important than the lives of the pensioners.

[cdburgh]

of course we are talking about GSIS. but since u complained or have a beef about GSIS having high salaries compared to teachers or soldiers, one cannot avoid bringing in the SSL and GOCC arguments. and since GSIS is a GOCC to which in general GOCC's have higher salaries compared to teachers or soldiers, u just cannot pick on GSIS only but u also have to pick on other GOCCs as well. but since u picked GSIS solely about this "high salary" issue, that's discriminatory.

i hope you can distinguish between complaining and merely expressing an opinion. there you go again, agreeing that we are talking about GSIS after telling me that I am singling out GSIS. you make things confusing. again, this thread is about WG and GSIS, why are you telling me to pick on other agencies? and talking about the issue of this thread is now discriminatory? if you want to discuss the other agencies, open another thread and let's discuss it. misplaced judgement.

u didn't get it in proper context. when a bill is being passed, it goes thru a lot of deliberations until the merits being approved and finally into a law. unless nobody contests it w/ the SC on it's Constitutionality, we have to assume that that law is Constitutional. and if we say Constitutional, it is deemed just, fair, essential, healthy, and so on. but since not all laws are perfect kasi tao lang po, a flaw, imperfection, needed upgrade seen on any law should be done by amending to make it more nearer to perfect or to fit to a given circumstance.

that is what i have been telling you, the SSL is one of those flawed law.

actually, previous SSL's are not flawed per se. heck they could even retain those old SSL without bothering about it. but no, they are just as concerned about low gov't wages not anymore at par w/ the private sector and relative to other issues as well, thus the amendments. remember, the intention is not to be at par w/ GOCCs but at par with the private sector in general.

how can it be not flawed when nothing can stop the GOCC to implement a very juicy compensation package? there is no cap to what they can do. who can stop GSIS from implementing a similar package like the giant businesses? now is that fair to other government agencies? is that fair, just?

sa uban pa paingnon, SSL 3 is an "upgrade" of SSL 2...just like ur celfon or PC...u didn't upgrade it because of a flaw or defect. it's because u want it to run faster and more hi tech.

upgrading is only a band-aid solution. get a new PC instead or better yet get a Macintosh.

common sense 101. don't you think?

[giddyboy]

asa man diay ko mangeta ug meaning sa word? adto sa bibliya?

it's not only about the understanding the meaning via one word or phrase alone like in a dictionary.

yes, analogy can also be described as a way of comparison but it's getting the proper context of the term. analogy is a rhetorical way of comparing things i.e. metaphors, similes, allegories, and parables, and sometimes by way of inductive and deductive reasoning. While a simple comparison is talking in concrete mathematical terms such as inequality/equality (<,>,=).

anyways, more on inductive/deductive reasoning to akoa to prove a point (many points actually).

you cannot say GSIS salaries should be equal to teachers pay coz GSIS is a GOCC and is not covered by SSL. unless u want to change, amend or upgrade the SSL mismo. and i already explained it via analogy or inductive reasoning.

i know and understand that what u imply is that it is quite unfair for GSIS employees for having high salaries, but they didn't violate any law or ethical issues for that matter. ang mas sakto, u should direct ur complaint against the SSL mismo, not against GSIS or any other GOCCs for that matter. gets?

ang rason sa GSIS nganong gehunong nila ang pension sa akung inahan kay kutob ra 10 years ang iyang pension. when in fact it is stated in the policy nga lifetime madawat ang pension as long as buhi pa ang pensioner. mau bitaw unta ilang ge update ang mga membership 3 years ago para maconfirm kung buhi pa ba ang nagdawatan sa pension. gecut man henuon ang monthly pension. ang makalagot nagbalik2x ug follow up akung mama sa GSIS engnun lang nga huwaton lang ang cheke kay madawat ra.

and who said that kutob ra 10 yrs ang pension sa imong mama? c Winston diay? di ba ang front desk or cust service man? so why ur ire ur Winston when ur ire is supposed to be directed at those staffs below him. did u even bother to make a formal complaint regarding that matter? I'm afraid u didn't. basically, that is a problem within their level and not the level of a GSIS President to tackle with.

coz if ur mom's pension says it is lifetime, it is lifetime and not 10 yrs only. so if we take another analogy, kung naa ka sa Jollibee Colon Branch complaining about the service, u get their supervisor or branch manager and complain about the crew's service. You don't have to complain it to Jollibee Manila, or worse, maglagot ka sa National Sales Manager or something like that.

another example: if u got a beef w/ the service, u first complain to the supervisor ky nglagot ka sa tawo under him. if it doesn't work out, then u go to their manager ky naglagot ka sa supervisor ug tawo under him. if still it doesn't work, u go to their regional manager ky nglagot ka sa usa ka manager under him. if still not, then u go to their national manager ky nglagot ka sa regional manager.

dili ky tungod naglagot ka sa serbisyo sa usa ka GSIS staff or a GSIS branch , maglagot nlng pud ka sa Presidente sa tibuok GSIS or sa tibuok GSIS mismo...

[jpn]

nakaila lang ko anang winston garcia tungod sa mga coruption issue niya
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Very true...daghan kaau issue about corruption, and that is for everybody who sits as head of GSIS cause that government agency involves a LOt...really a LOT of money, and very many are itching to take his place but wala jud nila matandug cause all there issues and allegations sa iyang corruption wala ma prove...buririt ra, If you noticed he is one of the people nga wala ma replaced kay ang tanan issues against niya walay laman...

TOM O., WINSTON, GWEN...these people not everybody will like cause they are not the type who want to please everyone, they do their job period....usayahay lang madala sila sa ilang pagka tao so at times they tend to go off track ang fight one another...ang tao matandugan jud ug garbo especially if masugdan na ang away...well thats their human side...nobody is perfect!!!

[giddyboy]

i hope you can distinguish between complaining and merely expressing an opinion. there you go again, agreeing that we are talking about GSIS after telling me that I am singling out GSIS. you make things confusing. again, this thread is about WG and GSIS, why are you telling me to pick on other agencies? and talking about the issue of this thread is now discriminatory? if you want to discuss the other agencies, open another thread and let's discuss it. misplaced judgement.

no i didn't make things confusing. whether u complain or merely expressing an opinion against GSIS salaries is to single out GSIS over all the other GOCCs. Logical reasoning tells u why. yeah i know the topic is all about GSIS & WG but the fact that u brought up the salary issue is mine to bring up related issues as well in order to prove a point. they are all intertwined and u cannot separate those from the topic at hand.

that is what i have been telling you, the SSL is one of those flawed law.

correction: the SSL is not flawed. it just needed an upgrade. otherwise u need to throw that law into the trash bin and make a new one. but like i said, the fact that it wasn't thrown out...in the case of SSL 3, the upgrade made was the compensation matrices in order to improve or lessen the disparity between the gov't and that of the private sector. The disparities were never a flaw in the first place. it is just an external factor that has to be dealt with due to changing times and emerging globalization.

how can it be not flawed when nothing can stop the GOCC to implement a very juicy compensation package? there is no cap to what they can do. who can stop GSIS from implementing a similar package like the giant businesses? now is that fair to other government agencies? is that fair, just?

correction: there is a cap to GOCC's compensation, well, as a matter of administrative policy pa nuon.

Gloria issued Administrative Order 103, to ask the GOCC heads to strictly implement cutting their pay, as part of her strict austerity program and salary rationalization effort. or else they get fired. (i even mentioned before that Winston was cutting his pay)

this goes to show that these GOCCs cannot do anything as they please as what u would like to imply otherwise.

In terms of law, a bill is still pending in the senate committee. SB 1790, otherwise known as the GOCC Salary Cap, is authored by Sen Villar.

upgrading is only a band-aid solution. get a new PC instead or better yet get a Macintosh.

common sense 101. don't you think?

if it's not broken, why fix or replace it? why do u have to get a new PC if an upgrade to Core 2 Duo is just what is needed in order to do the job while keeping it from becoming obsolete? that analogy fits well w/ the SSL. why do u have to replace it w/ a new law if an upgrade is just what is needed? common sense 101.

[cdburgh]

no i didn't make things confusing. whether u complain or merely expressing an opinion against GSIS salaries is to single out GSIS over all the other GOCCs. Logical reasoning tells u why. yeah i know the topic is all about GSIS & WG but the fact that u brought up the salary issue is mine to bring up related issues as well in order to prove a point. they are all intertwined and u cannot separate those from the topic at hand.

isn't it you guys the ones who brought up the salaries issue? funny, i shared my opinion and got accused of singling out GSIS. hahaha

correction: the SSL is not flawed. it just needed an upgrade. otherwise u need to throw that law into the trash bin and make a new one. but like i said, the fact that it wasn't thrown out...in the case of SSL 3, the upgrade made was the compensation matrices in order to improve or lessen the disparity between the gov't and that of the private sector. The disparities were never a flaw in the first place. it is just an external factor that has to be dealt with due to changing times and emerging globalization.

if it is not flawed, it doesn't need fine tuning. so stop telling us that it is not flawed. consult your dictionary again and check the meaning of flaw and perfect. that may enlighten you.

correction: there is a cap to GOCC's compensation, well, as a matter of administrative policy pa nuon.

Gloria issued Administrative Order 103, to ask the GOCC heads to strictly implement cutting their pay, as part of her strict austerity program and salary rationalization effort. or else they get fired. (i even mentioned before that Winston was cutting his pay)

this goes to show that these GOCCs cannot do anything as they please as what u would like to imply otherwise.

In terms of law, a bill is still pending in the senate committee. SB 1790, otherwise known as the GOCC Salary Cap, is authored by Sen Villar.

you agree with me then that there is no cap? it's clear that there's no cap at the moment. AO 103 do not set a cap. even if WG cuts his pay, it doesnt mean there is a cap. not unless SB 1790 becomes a law, nothing can stop the GOCC to set higher pay package to its employees.

if it's not broken, why fix or replace it? why do u have to get a new PC if an upgrade to Core 2 Duo is just what is needed in order to do the job while keeping it from becoming obsolete? that analogy fits well w/ the SSL. why do u have to replace it w/ a new law if an upgrade is just what is needed? common sense 101.

you just said that SSL is being fine tuned ergo it's broken, now their fixing it. now you're saying that "if it's not broken, why fix or replace it? ". let me guess, i think it's broken.
we all know that SSL do not cover GOCCs, their is a big disparity between the salries of GOCC and regular line agencies. if they really want to fix that, make a law that covers GOCCs and the agencies. why upgrade the old PC when you can get a new one for the same price? common sense 101.

[geoman07]

wala naman lain ika puli sa iya puwes2

[jpn]

wala naman lain ika puli sa iya puwes2

Sa tinuod, daghan kaayo nangatol mo puli ni Winston, hastang mga uban tuta ni GMA cge suway daut ni Winston para makapuli...pero wala man gud major blunder nga na buhat ni Winston nga pa ilisan na cya...Si GMA marukoy kaayo na cya...if dunay pa nay dautan binuhatan si Winston, ilisan dayon na niya para humot sya sa public!!!