Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[cdburgh]

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correction: im not comparing. im making an analogy to prove ur logic wrong. there's a big difference there.

complaining nga dagko ang sweldo sa GSIS compared to the teachers is already a wrong comparison in the first place. u should compare it w/ other GOCC's salaries.

mao btaw, akong giingon nga kung moreklamo mo sa GSIS salaries ky dagko w/o providing any basis at all, aw angay sab diay ka mo reklamo sa sweldo sa call center agents ky dagko man pud. that's an analogy, not a comparison.

in the first place, i think it is already wrong that GSIS is not be included in the SSL. exempting GSIS from the SSL is already a discrimination to other government agencies. we cannot say that GSIS employees deserved more because of what they do compared to, let say, teachers or soldiers. Why would the salaries be pegged to salaries of private corporations? Are they competing with private companies? No, they don't. GSIS only service government employees and properties.

When you talk about employees turn-over, working with the government is a service, a public service. Now, if the GSIS employees did not work to serve the public, they should have entered the private sector.

How do you justify the salary of a mid-management manager of GSIS compared to the salary of the president of the republic? Who deserves a better pay?

[giddyboy]

unsay diay meaning sa analogy? di ba your comparing between two things. nganong kaengun gud ka nga sayop na ecompare ang salary sa teachers ug gsis employees? they are both govt. employees. asa man diay nato ecompare adto sa private?

no. it myt seem that way but analogy is an argument from one particular to another particular. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves.

some of my examples:

(1) all GOCC salaries dagko. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS salaries dagko.

(2) GOCCs are not covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS is not covered by the Salary Standardization law.

(3) DepEd is covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is not. thus you cannot say the salaries of teachers should be the same with GSIS'. thus u r comparing apples to oranges.

(4) GOCC salaries are higher than gov't agencies covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS salaries are higher than DepEd.

if u just want to make a comparison, here is the statement: GSIS salaries are higher compared to DepEd, or, DepEd has lower salaries compared to GSIS...that's it. Period.

get the difference?

now to take ur analogy and prove it wrong:

GSIS salaries are high. You just complain about it w/o any reason. therefore, u can also complain high salaries from other companies whether private or public w/o any reason at all. Call center agents have high salaries. thus by virtue of your no reason, u should also complain about it.

[giddyboy]

wa koy bilib ani ni winston. katong iya gipalit nga juan luna painting for 45Million gausik usik lang to sa kuarta sa GSIS. unsa gud tawon klaseha sa utok na?

that's because u don't have an inch of a clue on the value of a national heritage like this one...sa ubang nasud pana bai makigpatay paman gani kng mawala ang Mona Lisa or The Scream painting...so if u r asking unsa klaseha sa utok, panamin sa cguro kung dili ba imo ra gisaway imong kaugalingon.

if u happen to watch the movie "National Treasure", u will know what i mean. or perhaps Da Vinci Code where paintings are being locked and guarded like a hawk. another one is the Ocean's 11, 12, and 13.

suwayi kno ug da-ob sa original Sto Nino image pre ky wala man kaha nay value as national heritage sama sa juan luna painting...

mangutana ka nga ngano ang GSIS gyud ang nipalit? well, GSIS was tasked by the gov't to represent the country and provide funding in taking back the painting as it is and should be owned by the Republic of the Phils. GSIS was tasked to create a heritage museum as can be seen sa ilang website.

as we all know naman, the mission of GSIS is to protect and insure all gov't assets and property (the juan luna painting is a gov't property and should remain that way). It provides insurance coverage to assets and properties that have gov't insurable interests. other than that, GSIS is mandated to provide and administer the following social security benefits for all employees of the Phil gov't: compulsory life insurance, optional life insurance, retirement benefits, disability benefits for work-related contingencies and death benefits.

[giddyboy]

in the first place, i think it is already wrong that GSIS is not be included in the SSL. exempting GSIS from the SSL is already a discrimination to other government agencies. we cannot say that GSIS employees deserved more because of what they do compared to, let say, teachers or soldiers. Why would the salaries be pegged to salaries of private corporations? Are they competing with private companies? No, they don't. GSIS only service government employees and properties.

When you talk about employees turn-over, working with the government is a service, a public service. Now, if the GSIS employees did not work to serve the public, they should have entered the private sector.

How do you justify the salary of a mid-management manager of GSIS compared to the salary of the president of the republic? Who deserves a better pay?

GOCCs are exempted by the SSL. so why pick on GSIS only when it is only one of many? that's the discrimination u r actually doing my friend.

i dunno really what the detailed provisions of the SSL are but when this law was passed, we should assume that this law is Constitutional, fair and just. otherwise, this law has not been passed at all. and we all know naman that not all laws are perfect...common sense 101.

actually, the SSL has experienced 3 amendments already.

yes, admittedly there is some kind of flaw or unfair play going on w/ this SSL.

that's why DBM proposed a SSL 3 that promises not only to increase state workers’ salaries but also bring them to par with employees in the private sector. SSL III would hopefully cure the problem of low salaries and disparity in pay among the more than one million gov't workers.

Low salaries, are the reason some teachers end up working in HK as domestic helpers and why some gov't doctors are now nurses.

DBM made a "conservative study" comparing salaries in a medium-scale private corporation with those of government. And they found out that as the rank goes higher the disparity between the gov't and that of the private sector becomes bigger. The higher the educational attainment, the more you are punished, apparently referring to teachers, doctors and other professionals who receive salaries much lower than their counterparts in the private sector.

IN SIMPLE TERMS, dili paubsan ang sweldo sa GOCC's (coz doing it would be unlawful) but instead ang mga sweldo sa gov't workers like teachers ipa increase para ma at par sa sweldo aning mga GOCC's. kita na ba diay kag sweldo nga magkadugay ang empleyado sa service mgka gamay nuon?...

Happy now?

[jpn]

Anyone of you can name me someone who has done better than Winston during his term of office as GSIS president? Imbis mag cge ug kiaw2x let let us know, if nobody has done better than him in GSIS then I should be proud of him.....nobody is perfect so if some of us may think he should do that, do this blahblah, but overall GSIS has improved A LOt...thru Winston's efforts, and he is a Cebuano so we from Cebu should be proud....

[higanstolsdawen]

no. it myt seem that way but analogy is an argument from one particular to another particular. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves.

some of my examples:

(1) all GOCC salaries dagko. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS salaries dagko.

(2) GOCCs are not covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS is not covered by the Salary Standardization law.

(3) DepEd is covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is not. thus you cannot say the salaries of teachers should be the same with GSIS'. thus u r comparing apples to oranges.

(4) GOCC salaries are higher than gov't agencies covered by the Salary Standardization law. GSIS is a GOCC. thus GSIS salaries are higher than DepEd.

if u just want to make a comparison, here is the statement: GSIS salaries are higher compared to DepEd, or, DepEd has lower salaries compared to GSIS...that's it. Period.

get the difference?

now to take ur analogy and prove it wrong:

GSIS salaries are high. You just complain about it w/o any reason. therefore, u can also complain high salaries from other companies whether private or public w/o any reason at all. Call center agents have high salaries. thus by virtue of your no reason, u should also complain about it.

meaning of analogy from dictionary.com

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: ex. the analogy between the salary of GSIS employees and the salary of a teacher.
2. similarity or comparability:
3. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

get the similarity?

Not all GOCC dagko ug suweldo, take for example sa Mactan-Airport. GOCC man na siya pero layo lage kaayo deperensiya ila suweldo. atong lang ecompare ang suweldo sa ultimo nga empleyado like sa driver.
i bet layo kaayo deperensiya ila suweldo.

Again why you would compare the salary of GSIS employees sa call center agents? Ikaw ray gaengun nga its like comparing apples and lemons. Why not compare it with other govt. employees like teachers and soldiers.

Wala ko mureklamo dako ang suweldo sa GSIS, i'm just comparing the salary between ordinary govt. employees ug sa GSIS. Bisan mureklamo pa ko, wala koy mahimu kay hulmigas ra ko. Daghan na nagreklamo sa GSIS pero walay japun nahimu. Suma bitaw daghan naman nagrally nga mga maestra wala man gehapon matandog si Winston.

Para dili ta ma ot sa thread tubagon tka. Dili ko proud ne Winston Garcia, kay daghan na kaayo na siya ug gesakit nga mga pensioners ug member. Usa na akong inahan, after 10 years of receiving her pension gecut off sa GSIS. Ang kapait nagbalik2x sa GSIS pare eupdate sa iyang membership. After na update geputol iya pension. 1500 ang pension sa akung mama, for some gamay ra ne nga kantidad. Pero dako to ug ikatabang namu kay mau to budget sa iyang tambal for her daily maintenance.

Proud pa ko ne Byron Garcia as a cebuano kay tiaw mo na mapasayaw nimu ang mga piniriso.

[gikapoy]

nakaila lang ko anang winston garcia tungod sa mga coruption issue niya
no comment

[cdburgh]

GOCCs are exempted by the SSL. so why pick on GSIS only when it is only one of many? that's the discrimination u r actually doing my friend.

we are talking about WG and GSIS, that's not picking on GSIS. come on my friend, do not try to divert the issue.

i dunno really what the detailed provisions of the SSL are but when this law was passed, we should assume that this law is Constitutional, fair and just. otherwise, this law has not been passed at all. and we all know naman that not all laws are perfect...common sense 101.

since you really dunno the detail of the SSL, you do not assume that it is fair and just. but then again you assumed that not all laws are perfect...that is exactly what i am telling you, the SSL is a flawed law. .. throwing back to you your common sense 101.

Happy now?

absolutely, bwahahaha

[giddyboy]

meaning of analogy from dictionary.com

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: ex. the analogy between the salary of GSIS employees and the salary of a teacher.
2. similarity or comparability:
3. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

get the similarity?

Not all GOCC dagko ug suweldo, take for example sa Mactan-Airport. GOCC man na siya pero layo lage kaayo deperensiya ila suweldo. atong lang ecompare ang suweldo sa ultimo nga empleyado like sa driver.
i bet layo kaayo deperensiya ila suweldo.

Again why you would compare the salary of GSIS employees sa call center agents? Ikaw ray gaengun nga its like comparing apples and lemons. Why not compare it with other govt. employees like teachers and soldiers.

Wala ko mureklamo dako ang suweldo sa GSIS, i'm just comparing the salary between ordinary govt. employees ug sa GSIS. Bisan mureklamo pa ko, wala koy mahimu kay hulmigas ra ko. Daghan na nagreklamo sa GSIS pero walay japun nahimu. Suma bitaw daghan naman nagrally nga mga maestra wala man gehapon matandog si Winston.

Para dili ta ma ot sa thread tubagon tka. Dili ko proud ne Winston Garcia, kay daghan na kaayo na siya ug gesakit nga mga pensioners ug member. Usa na akong inahan, after 10 years of receiving her pension gecut off sa GSIS. Ang kapait nagbalik2x sa GSIS pare eupdate sa iyang membership. After na update geputol iya pension. 1500 ang pension sa akung mama, for some gamay ra ne nga kantidad. Pero dako to ug ikatabang namu kay mau to budget sa iyang tambal for her daily maintenance.

Proud pa ko ne Byron Garcia as a cebuano kay tiaw mo na mapasayaw nimu ang mga piniriso.

ayaw nlng sagol sagola ang terms nga murag chop suey. what u did was a simple comparison between salaries of GSIS and that of teachers or soldiers.

examples: a < b, or a > b (GSIS salaries > teachers) u then ask why can't it be a = b? the answer is my analogy.

that definition u have of "analogy" is from a dictionary. the term analogy doesn't only need a one sentence dictionary to define it but a paragraph (if not a page) of long article like an encyclopaedia to get what exactly it means. inductive and deductive reasoning kapamilya rana ana.

example goes something like this:

A:B::c:d (GSIS:GOCC::depED:agency under SSL)

anyways, enuff of the logic thingy.

and if u have problems w/ the GSIS computerized system don't blame Winston. Blame it on IBM. it was all over the news...

akong pangutana, ngano gi cut man sab ang pension sa imo mama? kabalo ka ngano? wud u care to elaborate? coz if we don't have that information, there is no use discussing it. hanging rice man gud.

[giddyboy]

we are talking about WG and GSIS, that's not picking on GSIS. come on my friend, do not try to divert the issue.

of course we are talking about GSIS. but since u complained or have a beef about GSIS having high salaries compared to teachers or soldiers, one cannot avoid bringing in the SSL and GOCC arguments. and since GSIS is a GOCC to which in general GOCC's have higher salaries compared to teachers or soldiers, u just cannot pick on GSIS only but u also have to pick on other GOCCs as well. but since u picked GSIS solely about this "high salary" issue, that's discriminatory.

since you really dunno the detail of the SSL, you do not assume that it is fair and just. but then again you assumed that not all laws are perfect...that is exactly what i am telling you, the SSL is a flawed law. .. throwing back to you your common sense 101.

u didn't get it in proper context. when a bill is being passed, it goes thru a lot of deliberations until the merits being approved and finally into a law. unless nobody contests it w/ the SC on it's Constitutionality, we have to assume that that law is Constitutional. and if we say Constitutional, it is deemed just, fair, essential, healthy, and so on. but since not all laws are perfect kasi tao lang po, a flaw, imperfection, needed upgrade seen on any law should be done by amending to make it more nearer to perfect or to fit to a given circumstance.

actually, previous SSL's are not flawed per se. heck they could even retain those old SSL without bothering about it. but no, they are just as concerned about low gov't wages not anymore at par w/ the private sector and relative to other issues as well, thus the amendments. remember, the intention is not to be at par w/ GOCCs but at par with the private sector in general.

sa uban pa paingnon, SSL 3 is an "upgrade" of SSL 2...just like ur celfon or PC...u didn't upgrade it because of a flaw or defect. it's because u want it to run faster and more hi tech.

again, common sense 101. catch!

anyways, balik ta sa topic ky basin psanginlan nasab ko nimo nga ni divert...