No parallels? I don't think so bro. These ancient pagan gods existed long before Christianity was born. You can see many similarities from the time Jesus was born (Virgin birth), until his death (crufixion), ressurection and ascension into heaven. Some of these ancient gods experienced what Jesus had experienced!Originally Posted by josephdc
In what aspect that it changed? and if they did change, it doesn't mean Christianity has nothing to do with those ancient pagan religions.
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06-07-2009, 06:07 AM #181
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06-07-2009, 06:13 AM #182Muted User
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Some Christian religions are paganism. Mostly members of their church are unaware of it. Like sunday worship its derived to be the worship of the Sun God. In ancient Roman Civilizations. And somehow its infused with Christianity. Even Jesus has his place among the pagans. Jesus supposedly was Aries or a fish God. This is the source of the catholic beliefs. Or what they call "Inner Catholic religion".
Also I have noticed those who criticize Christianity they themselves maybe a Christian before but the they never studied enough the Biblical scriptures throughly. They are like equivalent to grade 1 when it comes to scriptures. And they are usually very vocal and very strong about their criticisms.
Noticed the first post only one verse is being shown. Its like cutting letters in a magazine and pasting it to a letter and constructing sentences and paragraphs out of it.Last edited by Kenshiro; 06-07-2009 at 06:16 AM.
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06-07-2009, 06:16 AM #183Are you a LITERALIST Christian? Originally Posted by Kenshiro
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06-07-2009, 06:19 AM #184Muted User
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I really don't believe in the Bible in all its literal sense since some passages are meant not to be taken literally. So I'm not a literalist Christian.
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06-07-2009, 06:23 AM #185Junior Member
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Douchebagg. .
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06-07-2009, 01:46 PM #186Senior Member
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Ha?? really, marami pa rin ang di nakaka alam na kinokopya lang lahat ng christianity yung scriptures nila sa mga pagano? oh my gosh, anung petsa naba?
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06-07-2009, 04:08 PM #187Junior Member
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ME defensive, you could not even undestand that things that ive said, what a shame Originally Posted by regnauld
Why are you so defensive about the biblical symbol of number 12? I gave you the references in the bible but still you cannot accept them. I thought you believe in your bible and now you are trying to say that I am not logical because I haven't proved something. It just shows that you are a closed minded person. Not only that but you are a fanatic to your belief!
Do you think the Zodiac symbols are not universal? I hope you study Ancient History and Mythology!
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06-07-2009, 04:17 PM #188Junior Member
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BRAVO to REG, BRAVO Originally Posted by regnauld
CONCLUSION
Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.
Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.
Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.
So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.
Sources (click on a blue highlighted book title if you'd like to obtain it):
Briant, Pierre, "Alexander the Great: Man of Action Man of Spirit," Harry N. Abrams, 1996
Doherty, Earl, "The Jesus Puzzle," Canadian Humanist Publications, 1999
Flavius, Josephus (37 or 38-circa 101 C.E.), Antiquities
Gauvin, Marshall J., "Did Jesus Christ Really Live?" (from: Secular Web: Atheism, Agnosticism, Naturalism, Skepticism and Secularism)
Gould, Stephen Jay "Dinosaur in a Haystack," (Chapter 2), Harmony Books, New York, 1995
Graham, Henry Grey, Rev., "Where we got the Bible," B. Heder Book Company, 1960
Graves, Kersey "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors," 1875
Helms, Randel McCraw , "Who Wrote the Gospels?", Millennium Press
Irenaeus of Lyon (140?-202? C.E.), Against the Heresies
Leedom, Tim C. "The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read," Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, 1993
Massey, Gerald, "Gerald Massey's Lectures: The Historical Jesus and Mythical Christ," 1900
McKinsey, C. Dennis "The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy," Prometheus Books, 1995
Metzger, Bruce,"The Text of the New Testament-- Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration," Oxford University Press, 1968
Pagels, Elaine, "The Gnostic Gospels," Vintage Books, New York, 1979
Pagels, Elaine, "Adam, Eve, and the Serpent," Vintage Books, New York, 1888
Pagels, Elaine, "The Origin of Satan," Random House, New York, 1995
Price, Robert M.," Deconstructing Jesus," Prometheus Books, 2000
Pritchard, John Paul, "A Literary Approach to the New Testament," Norman, University of Oklahoma Press, 1972
Remsberg, John E., "The Christ," Prometheus Books
Robertson, J.M. "Pagan Christs," Barnes & Noble Books, 1966
Romer, John, "Testament : The Bible and History," Henry Holt and Company, New York, 1988
Schonfield, Hugh Joseph, "A History of Biblical Literature," New American Library, 1962
Spong, Bishop Shelby, "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism," HarperSanFrancisco, 1991
Tacitus (55?-117? C.E.), Annals
Wilson, Dorothy Frances, "The Gospel Sources, some results of modern scholarship," London, Student Christian Movement press, 1938
The Revell Bible Dictionary," Wynwood Press, New York, 1990
King James Bible, 1611
U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990
Various issues of Bible Review magazine, published by the Biblical Archaeology Society, Washington D.C.
Online sources:
[1] "James (book of Bible)," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001
[2] "John, Epistles of," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001
[3] "Peter, Epistles of," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001
LETS ALSO INCLUDE in the following HISTORY of MYTHICAL PEOPLE
Western philosophy
Presocratic philosophers
Thales(624 BC–ca. 546 BC) Anaximander (610-546 BC) Anaximenes of Miletus (c. 585-c. 525 BC)
Pythagoras(582-496 BC) Philolaus (470-380 BC) Alcmaeon of Croton Archytas (428-347 BC)
- Heraclitus (535-475 BC)
Xenophanes (570-470 BC) Parmenides (510-440 BC) Zeno of Elea (490-430 BC) Melissus of Samos (c 470 BC - unknown)
Empedocles (490-430 BC) Anaxagoras (500-428 BC)
Leucippus (first half of 5th century BC) Democritus (460-370 BC) Metrodorus of Chios (4th century BC)
- Pherecydes of Syros (6th century BC)
Protagoras (490-420 BC) Gorgias (487-376 BC) Antiphon (480-411 BC) Prodicus (465/450-after 399 BC) Hippias (middle of the 5th century BC) Thrasymachus (459-400 BC) Callicles Critias Lycophron
- Diogenes of Apollonia (c. 460 BC-unknown)
Classical Greek philosophers
- Socrates (469-399 BC)
- Euclid of Megara (450-380 BC)
- Antisthenes (445-360 BC)
- Aristippus (435-356 BC)
- Plato (428-347 BC)
- Speusippus (407-339 BC)
- Diogenes of Sinope (400-325 BC)
- Xenocrates (396-314 BC)
- Aristotle (384-322 BC)
- Stilpo (380-300 BC)
- Theophrastus (370-288 BC)
Hellenistic philosophy
- Pyrrho (365-275 BC)
- Epicurus (341-270 BC)
- Metrodorus of Lampsacus (the younger) (331–278 BC)
- Zeno of Citium (333-263 BC)
- Cleanthes (331-232 BC)
- Timon (320-230 BC)
- Arcesilaus (316-232 BC)
- Menippus (3rd century BC)
- Archimedes (c. 287-212 BC)
- Chrysippus (280-207 BC)
- Carneades (214-129 BC)
- Clitomachus (187-109 BC)
- Metrodorus of Stratonicea (late 2nd century BC)
- Philo of Larissa (160-80 BC)
- Posidonius (135-51 BC)
- Antiochus of Ascalon (130-68 BC)
- Aenesidemus (1st century BC)
- Philo of Alexandria (30 BC - 45 AD)
- Agrippa (1st century AD)
[edit] Hellenistic schools of thought
Philosophers during Roman times
- Cicero (106-43 BC)
- Lucretius (94-55 BC)
- Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
- Musonius Rufus (30 AD - 100 AD)
- Plutarch (45-120 AD)
- Epictetus (55-135 AD)
- Marcus Aurelius (121-180 AD)
- Clement of Alexandria (150-215 AD)
- Alcinous_(philosopher) (2nd century AD)
- Sextus Empiricus (3rd century AD)
- Alexander of Aphrodisias (3rd century AD)
- Ammonius Saccas (3rd century AD)
- Plotinus (205-270 AD)
- Porphyry (232-304 AD)
- Iamblichus (242-327 AD)
- Themistius (317-388 AD)
- Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)
- Proclus (411-485 AD)
- Philoponus of Alexandria (490-570 AD)
- Damascius (462-540 AD)
- Boethius (472-524 AD)
- Simplicius of Cilicia (490-560 AD)
MOST AETHEIST QUESTIONS the EXISTENSE of CHRIST and say HES JUST A MYTH and yet they do not questions the existense of these MEN in the LIST especially those who mythically exist before CHRIST. now REG how come your GNOSTIC ideas omit CHRIST from history yet acknowledges these THINKERS? WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06-07-2009, 04:30 PM #189Junior Member
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MR. REG irradicated JESUS very existense in history, but he wanst able to erradicate BUDHA who even long before JESUS and THESE people above. CONCLUSION: EVEN if these people didnt have personally wrote there bibliography it doesnt they didnt EXIST. men after them wrote there works and achievements, thats why until there are still remembered and even worshiped by others.
IF JESUS did not exist, it is equivalent of saying that all these people did not also exist and let us also include the greate FIRST PHILIPPINE HERO and CEBUANO LAPULAPU. hahahahaha
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many sources of text acknowledge the existence of these people in their time. and also, they wrote their own books, that's why these men are acknowledged to have existed.. Originally Posted by st.anthony
BRAVO to REG, BRAVO
LETS ALSO INCLUDE in the following HISTORY of MYTHICAL PEOPLE
Western philosophy
Presocratic philosophers
Thales(624 BC–ca. 546 BC) Anaximander (610-546 BC) Anaximenes of Miletus (c. 585-c. 525 BC)
Pythagoras(582-496 BC) Philolaus (470-380 BC) Alcmaeon of Croton Archytas (428-347 BC)
- Heraclitus (535-475 BC)
Xenophanes (570-470 BC) Parmenides (510-440 BC) Zeno of Elea (490-430 BC) Melissus of Samos (c 470 BC - unknown)
Empedocles (490-430 BC) Anaxagoras (500-428 BC)
Leucippus (first half of 5th century BC) Democritus (460-370 BC) Metrodorus of Chios (4th century BC)
- Pherecydes of Syros (6th century BC)
Protagoras (490-420 BC) Gorgias (487-376 BC) Antiphon (480-411 BC) Prodicus (465/450-after 399 BC) Hippias (middle of the 5th century BC) Thrasymachus (459-400 BC) Callicles Critias Lycophron
- Diogenes of Apollonia (c. 460 BC-unknown)
Classical Greek philosophers
- Socrates (469-399 BC)
- Euclid of Megara (450-380 BC)
- Antisthenes (445-360 BC)
- Aristippus (435-356 BC)
- Plato (428-347 BC)
- Speusippus (407-339 BC)
- Diogenes of Sinope (400-325 BC)
- Xenocrates (396-314 BC)
- Aristotle (384-322 BC)
- Stilpo (380-300 BC)
- Theophrastus (370-288 BC)
Hellenistic philosophy
- Pyrrho (365-275 BC)
- Epicurus (341-270 BC)
- Metrodorus of Lampsacus (the younger) (331–278 BC)
- Zeno of Citium (333-263 BC)
- Cleanthes (331-232 BC)
- Timon (320-230 BC)
- Arcesilaus (316-232 BC)
- Menippus (3rd century BC)
- Archimedes (c. 287-212 BC)
- Chrysippus (280-207 BC)
- Carneades (214-129 BC)
- Clitomachus (187-109 BC)
- Metrodorus of Stratonicea (late 2nd century BC)
- Philo of Larissa (160-80 BC)
- Posidonius (135-51 BC)
- Antiochus of Ascalon (130-68 BC)
- Aenesidemus (1st century BC)
- Philo of Alexandria (30 BC - 45 AD)
- Agrippa (1st century AD)
[edit] Hellenistic schools of thought
Philosophers during Roman times
- Cicero (106-43 BC)
- Lucretius (94-55 BC)
- Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD)
- Musonius Rufus (30 AD - 100 AD)
- Plutarch (45-120 AD)
- Epictetus (55-135 AD)
- Marcus Aurelius (121-180 AD)
- Clement of Alexandria (150-215 AD)
- Alcinous_(philosopher) (2nd century AD)
- Sextus Empiricus (3rd century AD)
- Alexander of Aphrodisias (3rd century AD)
- Ammonius Saccas (3rd century AD)
- Plotinus (205-270 AD)
- Porphyry (232-304 AD)
- Iamblichus (242-327 AD)
- Themistius (317-388 AD)
- Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)
- Proclus (411-485 AD)
- Philoponus of Alexandria (490-570 AD)
- Damascius (462-540 AD)
- Boethius (472-524 AD)
- Simplicius of Cilicia (490-560 AD)
MOST AETHEIST QUESTIONS the EXISTENSE of CHRIST and say HES JUST A MYTH and yet they do not questions the existense of these MEN in the LIST especially those who mythically exist before CHRIST. now REG how come your GNOSTIC ideas omit CHRIST from history yet acknowledges these THINKERS? WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but as for Jesus Christ, only the gospels and the bible ever wrote about Jesus in his time.
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