Legalize Abortion?

[arrestmeifyoucan]

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i guess naa sya plan mag pa abort...basin naa fruit from forbidden tree hehehehe

[hunt99]

NO TO ABORTION gyud ta

[joshua259]

yup no to abortion but yes to s3x education and contraceptives...

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

But the child's body is NOT yours. You can't MURDER someone else just for your convenience.

lets say the fetus is a mere parasite... please... hahahahaha.. now you're shock!

Dont you agree that a woman's vagina is her property? so is her liver and her heart? any part of her body is her property and not another, she have the right to donate her other kidney without being coerced to do so... isn't a fetus apart of a woman's body? does it not get it nourishment from food and drinks taken by the woman?

so what is the differnce between a maggots and worms livng in a woman's stomach and fetus? hahhahaha! are not the two same but mere parasites... )

but really im not for abortion unless its very necessary like the mother is 12 or 9 years old... a rape victim... the pregnancy endangers the life and health of the mother... i believe that in those cases we have to choose which life is more important... and the mother's life is more important... y? naniniwala kase ako sa "first come first serve" policy... )


that pills are meds with the intent to abort does not hold water... chances are slim... masmalkai pa ang chance na mabuntis ka while on pill rather than abortion... it depends on the woman's body.. lahi-lahi man gud na effect ang pills sa kada babae... really a cup coffee a day can cause abortion... so should we tag coffe as abortificient as well and even tea such as C2 at ano pa...

there are alot of abortificients that are not even medicines...

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

wa ko ga duda but sure gyud ko wrong and biased ang poll.

the poll is very misleading and intended w/ malice. it implies albeit indirectly that the RH bill promotes abortion and the use of "abortifacients" to which the bill explicitly stated otherwise: the RH Bill does not condone abortion and in fact supports our anti-abortion laws.

per definition, an abortifacient is a substance that induces abortion. AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT CONDOMS, BIRTH CONTROL PILLS, IUD's, LIGATION, AND VASECTOMY FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.

at first glance, the poll looks harmless but actually it tries to connect abortion w/ the RH Bill with malicious intent. in actuality, abortion and the RH bill are entirely different matters. in fact, the opposite.

i hope our mods will see that too.

i guess these fake pro-lifers and arrogant priests are getting very desperate nowadays. (i say fake coz they are actually lobbyists and lobbyists mean...u know na. and no matter how they sugar-coat their real motives, but in the end it is all about money) basin hapit na mahimong law ang atong dugay na nga gihuwat, long overdue RH Bill, that's why...hehe

i agree... gyud.. kinsa buhat sa poll.. pwede pa ba na ma-change?

[mannyamador]

isn't a fetus apart of a woman's body? does it not get it nourishment from food and drinks taken by the woman?

No. Dependence does NOT imply ownership. Even infants are totally dependent on others. That does not mean those others own the bodies of the infants. The unborn child is a separate, unique person. You have no right to play God with his life. Your logic is simply wrong.

that pills are meds with the intent to abort does not hold water... chances are slim...

The probability is irrelevant. If the risk to the other person can be avoided, then it should be avoided. One murder is one too many. Abortifacient contraceptives are never necessary especially since there are non-abortifacient alternatives.

No to abortion; no to the abortion-promoting RH bill!

[mannyamador]

Abortifacient Contraceptives
http://www.lifesitenews.com/abortion...ion_types.html

Birth control pills are routinely described as "contraceptives", that is, things that prevent conception, the beginning of a new human life. But in fact birth control pills sometimes act as "abortifacients", things that cause abortion.

Birth control pills act in three basic ways: (This information can be obtained from any standard reference work, such as the Physicians' Desk Reference.)

1. They suppress ovulation, that is, they prevent the woman's body from releasing an egg.
2. They thicken the woman's cervical mucus, which makes it more difficult for sperm to reach the egg.
3. They alter the lining of the uterus so that the zygote (fertilized egg, the first stage in the life of a human being) cannot implant. The developing baby receives his oxygen and nutrition through the uterus, so if the zygote-baby cannot implant, he starves to death. This is, therefore, an abortion.

There are basically three types of birth control pills:

• high-dose, progestin and estrogen;
• low-dose, about half as much progestin and estrogen; and
• mini-pill, small amount of progestin, no estrogen.

The early high-dose birth control pills acted primarily by suppressing ovulation. Studies found that these pills succeeded in preventing ovulation somewhere between 90 and 98% of the time. However, high-estrogen pills are no longer available in Canada or the United States . They were removed from the market because of various dangerous side effects.

The newer low-dose pills are less effective at preventing ovulation and therefore rely more on the remaining two functions. As an egg is microscopic, it can be difficult to tell in any given case whether an egg really has been released. But Dutch gynecologist Dr Nine Van der Vange made an extensive study of women using these pills. She found proof that an egg had been released in 4% of the cases, and found follicle growth typical of what one finds in early pregnancy in at least 52% of cases. The workings of the mini-pill are not fully understood, but it appears to allow ovulation at least 40% of the time, according to Emory University's Contraceptive Technology. Ovulation expert Dr. John Billings estimates that between 2 and 10 per cent of a woman's cycles are still ovulatory even when she is taking the Pill. That means there is a chance she can still conceive a child; but because of the Pill's effect on the lining of the womb, the child will not be able to implant, and will be expelled from the mother's body. Although this might seem to be a small percentage risk, over time the likelihood is great. Moreover, there really is no such thing as a "negligible" risk of aborting a baby. In this case, any risk is too great.


The Intra-Uterine Device (I.U.D)

The I.U.D. is a specially shaped piece of plastic or metal that must be inserted into the uterus by a doctor. Although it is not known for sure how it works, it is believed that an I.U.D. changes the lining of the uterus to prevent the fertilized egg from being implanted [emphasis added]. It may also slow the sperm down enough to prevent it from reaching the uterus.

For additional details on the Intra-uterine device, ask your pharmacist.

Contraceptive abortions

Some people have moral objections to contraception in principle. But that is not the issue here. Even those who see no moral distinction between preventing pregnancy through contraception and avoiding pregnancy through abstinence, must still object to any birth control method that relies, even a small percentage of the time, on destroying a life that has already begun. It has been said that birth control pills usually act by contraception, that any abortions that result should be accepted as an unfortunate accident. This is a little like saying that it's alright to fire a gun randomly in the dark, as you usually won't hit anybody, and in the few cases when you do, it should be accepted as an unfortunate accident.

For additional details on Contraceptive abortions visit the Ohio Right to Life web site or ask your pharmacist.

[giddyboy]

Good definition. That exactly fits IUDs, pills , injectables, and implantables, which all have abortifacient mechanisms. They prevent the implantation of the fertilized egg, which is already a human being as per the Philip[pine Constitution, thus causing an early-term chemical abortion.

again u r misleading us here. the Consti lagi did not say fertilization is the moment of conception. that is because so as not to violate the rights and discriminate those who believe it is implantation. but those priests, being, well Catholic priests, who were involved in the making of the 1987 Consti only assumed it is. and that is an undeniable fact.

and coz if we insist otherwise that the Consti specifically said it is fertilization gyud lagi, then hagbay rana unta gipang arrest ug priso ang mga namaligya ug pills and IUDs...logic 101 and common sense 101.

remember, even the US and UK laws say the moment of conception is at implantation. to say that if one believes it is implantation is a liar is to say the US and UK laws are liars too.

u r also misleading us here with the definition of "abortifacients". Online dictionaries don't even say pills and IUD are abortifacients. furthermore, the use of the term "abortifacient contraceptives" is also put in question.

the former is a noun while the latter is an adjective to a noun that is even still subject for debate. but still somehow the intent is to mislead...mura2x ranag condom tawgon ninyo ug "PREEMPTIVE ABORTION"...indeed a good scare tactic it is.

As for the poll, it's not perfect, but it's just as good as the other polls we have had here. The old poll on how the Church is handling the bill is confused with being for/against the bill, for example, and even those against the bill were sometimes fooled.

The RH fanatics just don't like this new poll because it exposes the fact that the RH bill really promotes abortifacient contraceptives.

and u perfectly assume that pro-RH peeps are the only ones who believe in that Pulse Asia survey? of course polls/surveys, even if done correctly are not perfect. even science is not perfect. who is denying that?

and u also perfectly assume that pro-RH peeps are the only ones who don't like this poll? even a 5th grade can see that error...

[giddyboy]

i guess naa sya plan mag pa abort...basin naa fruit from forbidden tree hehehehe

hehe. ang condom mka abort?

[joshua259]

hehe. ang condom mka abort?

abortion na woi... hahaha wala ka kahibaw nga pila ka million ang nangamatay nga bata ana...