MERGED: MARTIAL LAW and related issues

[SioDenz]

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Ang Pinoy by nature MADUDAHUN..hehe

[nitesky]

no matter what type of government we will adopt, as long the people who are in charge are still the same pig heads, then there's no change at all... there's nothing wrong with the government; only the people behind it are the problem...

[mique]

murag pdung jud ni ug martial law... i think. ang administrasyon, ilaha jud ning gtira ang mga taga-opposition, well-planned na mga tactics ni arroyo. sus intawn...

[omar50071]

I also suggest that we should not buy every word from any of our politicians. They have political interests to preserve. Those who say that the president wanted to extend her term are the candidates for 2010, I suppose. They just want to have controversy so they can enter the picture. They have spent millions for their infomercials and campaigns. I don't think they are willing to spend too much if they know that the 2010 elections will not push through.

As I said, declaring martial law has a very rigid procedure. Saying that it will be a means to extend one's power is really far fetched. But if you want to believe it, how can I stop you? As for me, I have the Constitution to prove my claim.

Yes you are right, we should not buy every word from any of our politicians, including your queen Gloria. But the glaring series of events that her allies in congress have done is a blatant example of manuevering the constitution to extend or perpetuate GMA's term. Whatever is your reason for their move, I cant see good faith in it in any different angles.

[giddyboy]

Really!? Did I played peoples lives here? How could you say so? Pare, I’m just only describing what kind of war happened in Mindanao before. “Still doesn’t justify it?” I know a little of that bro but what I’ve want tell is “ Ang military ug ilang mga counter-parts kay murag gaduwa-duwa wherein wala nila hunahunaa nga nay intawon civilians nga maamong” dili kay moingon ka nga “ Stop playing peoples lives here” … kafaet! Kami na hinuon ang nagduwa-duwa ani nuon… saonnzzz……

puleez. didn't u get what im coming across? what i meant is that u r insulting the sentiments of the soldiers who risked their lives by telling us mura ra ga duwa2x. what i also meant is that u r also insulting all the soldier's families and civilians caught in the crossfire.

if u consider the history:

The MILF is a Muslim revolutionary group and is one of two Moro armed groups that claim legitimate belligerency against the Gov't of the Republic of the Phils (GRP) for the oppression and suppression it had allegedly done to the Bangsamoro people since the Phils gained independence from the USA in 1946. The area where the group is active is called Bangsamoro Homeland by the MILF and it covers the southern portion of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago, Palawan, Basilan and the neighboring islands.

The MILF is a splinter group of the MNLF, a rebel organization formed in the late 1960s following the Jabidah massacre.

The MILF, refused to accept semi-autonomy offer (unlike the MNLF who accepted the offer) and continued insurgency operations, thus becoming the largest separatist group in the Phils.

Despite peace negotiations that had appeared to be fruitful, MILF operatives attacked gov't troops.

so if we follow the real logic here (and not yours), ang hinungdan wala pa ni matapos ang gubat is that the GRP and MILF has not yet come to terms regarding the offer to which up to this day they are still refusing.

Gets?

u myt recall that the war between MNLF and GRP is all over. didn't u ever consider that into ur head? u myt also recall that the Huks surrendered long ago. it might also be recalled that the GRP tried to create a MOA-AD to end the conflict but the SC prevented it.

Kung nakakita ka sa mga balita before Pre… ikaw nalang hunahuna ug analisar kun unsa imo ikasulti sa gubat between rebel soldiers and military soldiers…

again, asa man kno nang mga balitaa. ang imo ra cguro madunggan is ang mga opinion ra sa mga tabloids nga pareha nimo ug utok. nya dili man tawn na balita oi. opinion man na.

Maybe…. In mindanao pre, example: basilan or jolo, majority didto mga non-christians…. So syempre kadugo man sa mga rebels ang civilians likewise ngita na sila ug hawan para dili mapagan ila kadugo uy……..

Kinsa man diay ang mamili sa lugar Pre? Dili man kaha ang rebelde ug dili man sad kaha ang AFP? Ay’g ko ingna ang civilian ang mamili sa lugara para gubat?

funny? did u even heard rogue MILF headed by Komander Kato and i forgot the other one raided civilian communities? namili ba na? kung moingon gani ka ug "guerrilla" bay, it doesn't matter kung lasang, komunidad, or syudad cla mo engage. wala na silay pili. walay "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT". in contrast, ang AFP naay rules of engagement, ang kampo sa mga mga rebelde ang tuyo, dili ang mga civilians, except those civilians harboring the rebels, or in cases when guerrilla forces first engages in civilian communities.

Gets?

Walay kasulbaran na ang gubat sa Mindanao pre, mahilum kad**** unya gubat nasad… unsa may tan-aw nimo ana? Serious battle for something or what?

unsay tanaw nko ana? di gyud na masulbad kung di gyud magka agree ang GRP ug MILF...mao rana. wala nay pakapin nga duwa2x ra ang kanang gubat.

OK… ibutang ta lang nga dili masulbad with guns and swords, and mind and heart are the only solution for that. Imagine how many “Peace Talks” conducted by our government misalir bah? Kay ngano? Nay kahibulongang hitabo nagpatunga anah… we don’t know kung kinsa or giunsa basta kay naa… (in my opinion)

Once a Military is always a military…..

wala lagi ko gasulti nga heart and mind ra. i said "not only w/ guns and swords alone but "ALSO" heart and mind". grabeha ani wui. hagbay raman nakasabot akong grade 5 nga pag umangkon ani.

and if u say naay kahibulongan hitabo, wa nakoy mahims ana ky imoha mana opinion. but por dios por santo, palihug kanang dili ra pangagpas intawn ra kutob inyong opinion. ky iilo rana sa uban including me...

A guerrilla bay is always a guerrilla...

[mariaClara]

@ giddyboy

"insulting the sentiments" ? luy bitaw ang mga soldiers kay sila ang ni-sulong didto..
pero ang mga mojrs,.. generals, cols. sila man mastermind ana..

what's up with ur history again? mnlf? milf? pariho ra na.. contra..

ingon bitaw si isaac ug ako nga (of course) dili mamili ang civilians kung asa ang battle..
ang mga militar ug ang mga rebelde oie..

OT

nindota gyud makig-debate ug taw nga close minded oie.. labi na kung kining tawhana
nagtuo gihapon nga limpyo ang militar ug ma-da ra ug "heart and mind" ang war..

kapoy na reply, taasa sa imong gisuwat.. bati man ang content..

BTW, u did not say "AND" sa imong statement before..

pasenxa na pre i just thought u refuse to see and understand the real situation.
and its really getting worse. i wouldnt know how to end it.
but it's definitely not with "hearts and minds"

[FKtemp]

again, asa man kno nang mga balitaa. ang imo ra cguro madunggan is ang mga opinion ra sa mga tabloids nga pareha nimo ug utok. nya dili man tawn na balita oi. opinion man na.

i think he was referring to the Lamitan (not so sure) basta kato na corner na ang mga rebelde sa mga sundalo, but a questionable order has let the rebels escape.

[giddyboy]

i think he was referring to the Lamitan (not so sure) basta kato na corner na ang mga rebelde sa mga sundalo, but a questionable order has let the rebels escape.

ahhh, panahon ni Erap toh. lisod to nga sitwasyon bro oi ky naay mga civilian hostages involved. I believe a deal was struck to let the civilians go unharmed if they back out sa pag corner sa ASG.

i think mao2x rani sa sitwasyon karon sa Red Cross kidnapping. naay cordon pero the AFP has to consider the risks involved in the lives of the kidnap victims...

[giddyboy]

@ giddyboy

"insulting the sentiments" ? luy bitaw ang mga soldiers kay sila ang ni-sulong didto..
pero ang mga mojrs,.. generals, cols. sila man mastermind ana..

what's up with ur history again? mnlf? milf? pariho ra na.. contra..

don't ever think mga soldiers bogo bai. ky if really that was true nga nag duwa2x, hagbay ra ni cla niundang ug pakig gubat did2...

and correction: ang MNLF dili nana kontra sa gobyerno. ingna lng gud nga discriminate ka ug Muslim...

ingon bitaw si isaac ug ako nga (of course) dili mamili ang civilians kung asa ang battle..
ang mga militar ug ang mga rebelde oie..

dili nlng ta mag lalis ani. irrelevant.

OT

nindota gyud makig-debate ug taw nga close minded oie.. labi na kung kining tawhana
nagtuo gihapon nga limpyo ang militar ug ma-da ra ug "heart and mind" ang war..

kapoy na reply, taasa sa imong gisuwat.. bati man ang content..

BTW, u did not say "AND" sa imong statement before..

ahh we are not in a grammar class mare. even my 5th grader nephew understood it...and did i say limpyo ang militar 100%?

pasenxa na pre i just thought u refuse to see and understand the real situation.
and its really getting worse. i wouldnt know how to end it.
but it's definitely not with "hearts and minds"

paxencya na pre. but history has proven that the heart and mind strategy worked. examples of that are the Hukbalahap and the MNLF.

u see, winning the heart and mind is always part of the military (and civilian) strategy to attain peace. if not for it, then we could <exaggerately> say we would have NPAs even in our own house.

and btw, close-minded ang tawo who do not even consider history and current events lessons well and instead rely on his pangagpas...that's dangerous my friend. delikado kau mosanay...

anyways, we are veering away na from the orig topic...

[mariaClara]

>> ambot ug ngano mu-sulong gihapon nang mga sundaw didto. wala ko kahibaw.

>> i have never discriminated anyone. all the more because of religion..

>> i dont mind grammar in forums.. but u actually claimed to have written AND man gud..

>> ahaha "did i say 100%"..... and did i say "0% limpyo ang military" as well?.. basta.. hugaw or dili kaayo hugaw, hugaw gihapon..

>> there you go with the history again.. you must believe something like "we shouldnt let go or forget the past because we will learn something from it".. or "history repeats itself"..
sauna, mga tawo, mu-tuo pa gyud ug changes.. karon? ambot lang..

>> close minded ang mga taw kung wala niya gi-consider ang lain lain posibilities..
conspiracy mutiny rebellion coup greed ug unsa pa nay naa sa utok aning mga tawhana ngano sige gihapon uwan ug bala..

naa toy nakaingon nga ug tinud-anay pa nang war didto mindanao, dugay na nang nahuman..
i dont think that these rebels who spent most of their time sa mountains kay same ra ug abilities sa mga trained military nga wa man gyuy mag-daog?