Legalize Abortion?

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

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well women can still buy "pamparegla" near USJ-R and even in Quiapo...

[dipsht]

ang ngpasa ani na bill klaro kaau mga bigaun...

[legal_cd]

usa rajud ka situation na mo agree kog abortion, that would be if case is bata(13 yr old down) ang namabdos and then it will pose a health risk to the mother's health, like example, possibly mamatay ang nag conceived.

[giddyboy]

well women can still buy "pamparegla" near USJ-R and even in Quiapo...

and why is the Church and pro-life groups not going after these when in fact most abortions in the Phils are done this herbal way? is it because it is "natural"?

and do they really understand that the major cause of abortion in the Phils is poverty and non-access to family planning methods?

[giddyboy]

No. Abstinence is the normal human state. We are NOT engaging in s** most of the time. We are abstaining from it most of the time. Nothing out of the normal is being introduced. There are fertile/infertile periods and there are times when we are s**ually active and inactive.

The Vatican advocates NFP via sexual abstinence as an alternative to artificial methods. Oh‚ hell‚ yes. That's much easier. Vatican roulette, as they say...

and i somehow see u r playing w/ words there. What is normal bay is ang tawo dili pirmi mag *** pero naay higayon nga ganahan mag ***. mao nay normal. ang normal bai motukar ang urge whether fertile or fertile ang babaye. so ayawg sagola ang term "abstinence" ug "no urge for ***" bai...Abstinence is not normal, well except sa mga pari...The correct description here is that abstinence is a preferred lifestyle.

there is even a study published in 1997 in the British Medical Journal found that "men who reported the highest frequency of orgasm enjoyed a death rate half that of the laggards"; that is to say, those that engaged in *** more frequently enjoyed longer lives. The report also cited other studies to show that having *** even a few times a week may be associated with: improved sense of smell; reduced risk of heart disease; weight loss and overall fitness; reduced depression (in women); the relief or lessening of pain; less frequent colds and flu; better bladder control; better teeth; and improved prostate function. The report cited a study published by the British Journal of Urology International which indicated that men in their 20s can reduce by a third their chance of getting prostate cancer by ejaculating more than five times a week!

But that is irrelevant. No one is alleging that condoms are abortifacient.

this myt seem irrelevant to the topic but the Catholic Church also condemns the use of condoms as it believes it goes against human dignity. do u even know that the Vatican previously used moral arguments against condoms‚ describing them as some sort of Preemptive Abortion? that's also a nice play of words they got there...

The Vatican advocates sexual abstinence as an alternative to condoms for stopping AIDS. Oh‚ hell‚ yes. That's much easier.

Instead of bashing condoms‚ we'll just get the entire world to stop having premarital *** or cheating on spouses. (I wish there were a sarcasm font on my computer.)

When the millions of Catholics look north to Vatican City‚ they see the pope as a kindly father figure‚ protecting them from evil.

But when the pope looks south‚ he sees a continent of sperm that needs to be protected from condoms.

Am I the only one who sees something terribly wrong with this picture?

as u well know, the Church is against all forms of artificial methods of family planning including the condom. u see i am just citing the more bigger picture here...this is not only about pills or IUD, but this is all about all forms of artificial contraceptives.

just like the pill or IUD, The Roman Catholic Church‚ which long has been against the use of condoms during ***‚ now has resorted to flat-out lies in an attempt to wean people of the latex menace.

The church is starting a misinformation campaign claiming that condoms do not protect against the AIDS virus‚ so people shouldn't try to use them.

This is the most enraging story I've seen on the news in a long while. Is the principle of self-determination for sperm so important to the Vatican that it can happily endanger the lives of its billion-plus followers?

The church's new line‚ apparently‚ is that since the AIDS virus is so small‚ it can pass through the netting of a latex condom. This is‚ of course‚ complete bullshit. When used correctly - wait‚ why am I even arguing this point?

Previously‚ the Vatican higher-ups only used moral arguments against condoms‚ describing them as some sort of preemptive abortion.

Now‚ they've resorted to outright lies‚ having apparently decided that dogma is more important than human life.

the irony here is that pro-life groups are not even against condoms. they are not even against tubal ligation and vasectomy. Kasi natural lang daw...

but anyway, this is becoming OT na...

source: westerncourier.com

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ON TOPIC:

The reproductive health (RH) bill promotes information on and access to both natural and modern family planning methods, which are medically safe and legally permissible. It assures an enabling environment where women and couples have the freedom of informed choice on the mode of family planning they want to adopt based on their needs, personal convictions and religious beliefs.

The bill does not have any bias for or against either natural or modern family planning. Both modes are contraceptive methods. Their common purpose is to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

The bill does not legalize abortion. It expressly provides that “abortion remains a crime” and “prevention of abortion” is essential to fully implement the Reproductive Health Care Program. While “management of post-abortion complications” is provided, this is not to condone abortion but to promote the humane treatment of women in life-threatening situations.

It will not lead to the legalization of abortion. It is not true that all countries where contraceptive use is promoted eventually legalize abortion. According to studies, correct and regular use of contraceptives reduces abortion rates by as much as 85 percent and negates the need to legalize abortion.

actually, the RH Bill has been exhaustively talked about already in other thread forums and polls such as "What is the Role of the Catholic Church in RH Bill?"...i am even beginning to wonder why all of a sudden the shift of this RH Bill issue is being dragged into the topic of "Legalized Abortion?"...is this to sway the public's negative perception on the Church's handling of the RH issue? or is this a way of misleading peeps that RH Bill = legalized abortion, which in fact is not? is this still part of A CONTINUING campaign to discredit the reproductive health bill through misinformation?

for the original topic link:
https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...h-bill-61.html

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BACKGROUND (ANTI-ABORTION LAW IN THE PHILIPPINES)

Abortion in the Phils is generally illegal. Under the abortion provisions of the Revised Penal Code of 1930, as amended, a person who intentionally causes an abortion with the consent of the pregnant woman is subject to a penalty of prison correccional (i.e., imprisonment for from 6 months to 6 years) in its medium or maximum period. A physician or midwife who causes or assists in the performance of an abortion is subject to the maximum period of this penalty, as well as suspension from the right to follow a profession. A woman performing an abortion on herself to conceal her dishonor is subject to the minimum or medium period of this penalty. A person performing an abortion without the consent of the pregnant woman is subject to a penalty of prison major (i.e., 6-12 years’ imprisonment).

Although the Penal Code does not list specific exceptions to the general prohibition on abortion, under the general criminal law principles of necessity as set forth in article 11(4) of the Code, an abortion may be legally performed to save the pregnant woman’s life.

In addition to these provisions, the Constitution of 1987 provides that the State “shall equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception”. This provision reinforces the provision contained in a Presidential Decree of 1975 establishing the Child & Youth Welfare Code, which stipulates that a child has the dignity and worth of a human being from the moment of conception and has the right to be born well. (take note the Constitution did not say fertilization is the moment of conception)

Despite the severity of the law, abortion appears to be widely practiced in the Phils as a means of birth control and is rarely prosecuted.

The Gov't of the Phils is greatly concerned about the high incidence of induced abortion and hopes to reduce illegal abortion through an expansion of family planning activities and through information, education and communication services.

source: un.org

[wicomusic]

NO TO ABORTION!!! Swerte ta naka-type pa ta karon sa keyboard... kay kung gi-abort pa ta sa una, langaw ray nabulahan nato

[wicomusic]

unfair na kita wala pugngi gipakatawo, nya kita karon magboot kung ipakatawo ba na ang uban... baylo kuno mu, ikaw ang wala pa natawo niya sila nga natawo na dili ba ka nerbyoson nig i-abort naka

[homer20]

pwede cguro kong wla jud kwarta ikabuhi

[mariaClara]

no need to abort.. family planning ang kinahanglan..
which may be too late para sa uban..

saon.. tuga tuga panganak, di man diay makabuhi..

kuyaw ang abortion.. naay chances nga dili na ka-anak ug usab..
pag-cndom na lang..

[joshua259]

mas maayo panang mag buhat nalang ang church og anti-BIGA pill para dili mag biga ang mga tao... anti kaayo sila anang contraceptives then dili raba mo support sa mga na buntis or mga couple nga nag lisod... mao pa gani mangasaba...