DEBATE What does Education do for your life?

[isaac95]

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^^@isaac: korek jud ka crushieko

Dli mana cya unfair bro.. diskarte raman gyud na sa tao! Naa diha mga graduates pero dli kahibalo mo market sa ilang self so mao na dli cla makakuha ug tarong na job. Ang uban diha undergrad lagi pero ang experience nila in marketing ones self is excellent then makakuha gyud ug work.

The world we are in is very demanding in the sense that competition is really very hard. One must ready his/herself in the real world of chaos and competition and getting ready means having a degree is a must aside from purely experience. If you are that experienced and have papers to support well i'll tell you, you are indestructible.

correct jud ka my crushie incubaby...

i don't think nga during sa application processing kay madawat nang tawhana..
naay call centers nga ang ilang mga qualifying exams about english proficiency ra, wla nila gi-apilan ug technical exam.. (personal experience.. applied as tech support pero ang exam puro ra english..sayon kaayo).

That applies if a person had an experience as what you’ve stated above. What if a person who was applying for that kind of job was a first timer? How could he/she market himself/herself so that an employer may consider him as a prospective applicant? Call center agent maybe requires a much skill in English Proficiency not by knowing only how to speak but rather knows how to communicate in an understandable way.

naa man jud uban undergrads nga kamao na mu-utingkay ug mu-solbad ug problema sa computers, printers, digital cameras, projectors, celphones, PDAs, internet connection…..

Agree on that matter…. But!!!!

How about if the customer’s who are calling ask on how to fix some kind of problems that requires theoretical and technical aspect!?

if we're still on the same page, you are like saying that nursing grads do not have any idea about being a call center agent. are you saying that agents under a banking and finance account should be accountants only? tech support agents are for the comp e, i.t., comp sci, ece only?

I don’t think so….

Maybe it depends on the Technical Support management of what qualifications of an agent they want to hire for an organization. If (if lang jud) a Technical Support Company are engage more likely in a technical matters, so there’s no questions of what applicants they want to hire….

Theoritical and Technical (actual/experience) is big plus factor of an applicant to market himself/herself for a certain job…

there are some students whose curiostiy exceeds his grasp that his knowledge is beyond what school can offer.
and that is what makes them qualified.

Of course…..!!!!

As of this generation, we must be competitive and we must show what we’ve got. Imagine every year how many college graduates who are searching for a stable job. Statistically! There were many unemployed (jobless) graduates who were now a bystanders because of a huge competition for a certain job.

An example of that was:

A Company was searching for a Pospective Design Engineers for company expansion, then that company requires/hires possible of 10 Design Engineers. Publish in a newspaper, so and so blahh…. Here comes 200 applicants! So now, out of 200 what probability is an engineer may be hire!? Competitions everywhere, so one must know tactics, technics, and strategies on how to market himself/herself in-order to acquire a job or else a stable job…. (base on my experience)

“Intelligence plus character, that is the essence of an Education…”

just my two cents also...

[semahj]

kung aku ang pasultihon:

ang datu ug ang pobre managsama ra...

pero mas adunahan jud kung naa ka'y kwarta..

bitawx2 sa educated man or uneducated, depende ra nah sa tao kung kamao mu deskarte sa kinabuhi para mu asenso... kung naa ka'y talent, then imung gamiton sa nindot nga pama-agi, awtz mu asenso jud ka..

[isaac95]

kung aku ang pasultihon:

ang datu ug ang pobre managsama ra...

pero mas adunahan jud kung naa ka'y kwarta..

bitawx2 sa educated man or uneducated, depende ra nah sa tao kung kamao mu deskarte sa kinabuhi para mu asenso... kung naa ka'y talent, then imung gamiton sa nindot nga pama-agi, awtz mu asenso jud ka..

That is a brilliant idea....

All humans are equal in the eyes of GOD....

Each one of us has it's own skill and talent, so we must use it inorder fo us to achieve one's goal in life. We must develop our skills by the AID of EDUCATION....

[semahj]

That is a brilliant idea....

All humans are equal in the eyes of GOD....

Each one of us has it's own skill and talent, so we must use it inorder fo us to achieve one's goal in life. We must develop our skills by the AID of EDUCATION....

thank you.... thank you....

imu sad gi inglish ang aku dah..jajaja

aku mag bisaya then ikaw translate...bwajaja

[mariaClara]

nyay.. sakto man pud..

diskarte..

[mariaClara]

That applies if a person had an experience as what you’ve stated above. What if a person who was applying for that kind of job was a first timer? How could he/she market himself/herself so that an employer may consider him as a prospective applicant? Call center agent maybe requires a much skill in English Proficiency not by knowing only how to speak but rather knows how to communicate in an understandable way.

>> i believe that is why appropriate qualifying exams are needed..
not only in english proficiency but also in spontaneity, tact and clarity of the ideas..
if an applicant aspires to be a call center agent,
then he should gauged in his technical, situational and customer service skills..
oral, aural...
in this way, applicants will be filtered out..
i never did say/express that companies are so dumb to be hiring such incompetent persons..
what i am also saying is that.. companies should have qualifying processes
that really only hire the best that our society can offer..

How about if the customer’s who are calling ask on how to fix some kind of problems that requires theoretical and technical aspect!?

Maybe it depends on the Technical Support management of what qualifications of an agent they want to hire for an organization. If (if lang jud) a Technical Support Company are engage more likely in a technical matters, so there’s no questions of what applicants they want to hire….

Theoritical and Technical (actual/experience) is big plus factor of an applicant to market himself/herself for a certain job…

>> theoretical.. and applied(technical)... together??
I'm afraid i wasn't able to see ur point..
>> there are.. in fact.. degree holders who suck at holding their degree..
school is most of the time theoretical..
but.. there are others(non-degree holders) who are doing better..
because experience had taught them well, education for them might only be a title..


if education were to be blamed
for having the lack of hands on experience and theoretical assessment,
what could a student possibly do?

[isaac95]

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>> there are.. in fact.. degree holders who suck at holding their degree..
school is most of the time theoretical..
but.. there are others(non-degree holders) who are doing better..
because experience had taught them well, education for them might only be a title..


if education were to be blamed
for having the lack of hands on experience and theoretical assessment,
what could a student possibly do?

A degree is just only a title?

Yes maybe if a degree holder don't use it.... I don't think that education is more on theoritical, education helps a student to enhance his/her mentality skill...

As what you'd said, experience is must.... and education or degree might be a title! right? That statement applies only in a job that doesn't need any intellectual / innovative mind. How about working in a complicated jobs like designs, planning, computations, etc. ?

Like Engineering works, making a Bill of Materials, Computing Strength of Materials, Machine Designs as well as Power Plant Designs, do you think it is easy to make it without knowing any theoritical skills learned in school?

Don't tell me a 5 years skuling sa Engineering is just only a degree or a title? Experience is quite good but one should know the BASIC learnings from school....

[tatakalz]

agree jud....education makes you a better person

[mariaClara]

A degree is just only a title?
Yes maybe if a degree holder don't use it.... I don't think that education is more on theoritical, education helps a student to enhance his/her mentality skill...

>> if you say that education is not more on theoretical, it means that more on practical siya.. ngano man na ang OJT usa (or duha?) ra man ka semester? and more time is spent on classrooms and written exams..
>> if you say education enhances mental abilities, all the more mu-contradict sa imong statement.. if you say otherwise, 'physical' skills ang ma-improve..
>> in laboratories, the experiments are what we call 'close ended'.. naa nay results daan and observations daan.. and the students just have to do it right.. after graduating, students experience 'open ended experiments' nga of course in line sa ila field..

As what you'd said, experience is must.... and education or degree might be a title! right? That statement applies only in a job that doesn't need any intellectual / innovative mind. How about working in a complicated jobs like designs, planning, computations, etc. ?

>> grabeha sad nimo.. ang kato ra diay naay mga jobs nga kinahanglan naay degree/title mao ra diay mu-gamit ug intellect or utok? pagsure diha... unsa sila? robot nga programmable?

Like Engineering works, making a Bill of Materials, Computing Strength of Materials, Machine Designs as well as Power Plant Designs, do you think it is easy to make it without knowing any theoritical skills learned in school?

>> mao na ang naka nindot.. the real challenge is after graduation..
imo bitaw nang mahibaw-an sa school..
all i'm saying is, not all who graduate college and earned a degree actually learned all that..
basin ikaw.. by heart na nimo tanan major subjs since first yr college nimo..

Don't tell me a 5 years skuling sa Engineering is just only a degree or a title? Experience is quite good but one should know the BASIC learnings from school....

>> let me emphasize what i had said..

there are.. in fact.. degree holders who suck at holding their degree..
school is most of the time theoretical..
but.. there are others(non-degree holders) who are doing better..
because experience had taught them well, education for them might only be a title..

>> like architects and engineers.. dili gyud sila " MANO A MANO " nga mu-gabas, sapilya, lansang unsa pa.. pero they(carpenters nga wala school) are doing fine.. nindot ang resulta.. sila(enggrs and archs) bitaw ang mu-design abstract.. pero ang pag-concretize ana kinsa man mubuhat.. katong mga wala naka-eskwela unya naka-buhat ug mga nindot nga balay, ang pagka-anaa ug title, pariho ra sa pagka-walay title..

>> title bitaw.. wala may nakiglalalis.. ang point nako.. others take courses nga maka-hatag ug title nila.. like a lawyer.. atty..
naa baya to story nga namatay na lang siya, wala gyud niya nagamit ang iyang mga courso nga gi-eskwelahan.. pero daghan na kaayo siya's nahuman..
>> ang summa cum laude bitaw sa com sci sa uc (sauna) kay gipatake ug engineering para naay title.. saonzz...

[TwasntMe]

if i were da Employer depende nila ug kinsay mas kahibaw sa trabaho nga ako g.kinhanlan mao akong dwaton.. unsaon mana nkong nka Eskwela if ako xa pa trabahoon ug CAll Center Agent den dli kaau xa maau mo English.. wat if ang usa kay highskol graduate rah dn iya maau na kaau xa mo English coz iya family mag cgeg English .. dn ad2 q sa Usa nga Bisayang DAko Graduate ug college but YAya mo speak ug English...SO Ad2 q sa wala ka Eskwela But fluent xa mo speak ug English.. dba.....

Ako pud, if I were the employer, I would hire the person nga mas kahibaw sa trabaho... pero depende sad sa trabaho. Pero tagsa ra man pud ta makakita ug tao nga wa ka graduate/swkela nga pareha ug knowledge ug skills sa kanang nakaiskwela.

Case: You open a new diagnostic lab (like Stanford), unya kinahanglan ka ug med tech. Mangita gyud ka ug grad sa MedTech kay ma asset sya sa imong negosyo. Ngano mokuha man ka ug dili grad? Di man ka kinahanglan nila kay wa man silay skills ug knowledge nga pareho ug level sa graduate.Liability pa nuon sila.