help on dog training

[siren bane]

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sir,

ive contacted him 250 per session. and 20 days training daw. but dont knowif what type f training method iya. wa na mu reply pag ask nako

Its very nice to hear that you asked for the training method the said "DOG TRAINER" is using. That only shows youre a responsible owner. My opinion is it depends on the owner, if he/she likes very quick results as fast as 1 week, then go for electronic collar dog trainers - that is if u like the idea of having your dog electrocuted.
There's also the "Koehler" type dog trainer or some people call it "yank and crank" method. Basically they use choke chains, its a negative reinforcement kind of training. Wherein the dog obeys the command out of fear of being punished, not because she loves obeying your command. This method produces a very reliable dog but the dog lacks projection of a happy attitude.
On the other hand, you have "MARKER/CLICKER trainers", its a purely positive training method where your dog gets a reward if she does something good. This style came from DOLPHIN TRAINERS because the idea is you cannot put a choke collar to a dolphin, so the only way to train them is through rewards.
One drawback with Clicker training is when your dog has intense prey drive like the "MALINOIS", if a dog has to choose from obeying you or chasing a prey, you're in no luck. Be warned also with too much punishment training, Youll know your dog is overly corrected or punished when your dog hides from the trainer or lowers his head everytime she sees the trainer.

In my opinion, the best dog trainers in the world are the ones who can combine both Positive and Negative type of training.

I hope nakatabang ko!

[bittel]

Its very nice to hear that you asked for the training method the said "DOG TRAINER" is using. That only shows youre a responsible owner. My opinion is it depends on the owner, if he/she likes very quick results as fast as 1 week, then go for electronic collar dog trainers - that is if u like the idea of having your dog electrocuted.
There's also the "Koehler" type dog trainer or some people call it "yank and crank" method. Basically they use choke chains, its a negative reinforcement kind of training. Wherein the dog obeys the command out of fear of being punished, not because she loves obeying your command. This method produces a very reliable dog but the dog lacks projection of a happy attitude.
On the other hand, you have "MARKER/CLICKER trainers", its a purely positive training method where your dog gets a reward if she does something good. This style came from DOLPHIN TRAINERS because the idea is you cannot put a choke collar to a dolphin, so the only way to train them is through rewards.
One drawback with Clicker training is when your dog has intense prey drive like the "MALINOIS", if a dog has to choose from obeying you or chasing a prey, you're in no luck. Be warned also with too much punishment training, Youll know your dog is overly corrected or punished when your dog hides from the trainer or lowers his head everytime she sees the trainer.

In my opinion, the best dog trainers in the world are the ones who can combine both Positive and Negative type of training.

I hope nakatabang ko!

thank you very much mam for your very nice comment about me asking the method. was also making sure what method he will use. so that i can further study also if the method to be applied is the most ideal. i dont want my dog hurt also. although its very nice to have a dog train but like you said happiness for a dog is also a major factor. i remember man gud a good friend told me that only very few trainers here do not use the harmful methods. thanks to you mam, im very glad to hear that indeed theres a method in which to train the dog buy not hurting the dog. i preffer that way

thanks a lot mam for your big help. really appreciate it a lot. what dogs do you have? you train dogs also? or a dog lover and a responsible dog owner

[koiboi]

thanks sa inputs maam siren bane. hehe nana sad ko bag-o na kat-unan bout dog trainings.

sir bittel, i think the best dog trainer is the owner of the dog himself. nka establish nmn gud a og bond sa dog, mao na mas kusog ang pleasing drive sa dog towards you. i suggest mgpa train ka like for 1 session then observe lang sa trainor sir, then after the session, e copy lang ang style sa pag train sa dog para ikaw2x nlng ang mu train.
mas tipid pa sa gasto and ma lingaw pa gyud ka. but thats only my opinion sir. hehe

[bingbing]

One drawback with Clicker training is when your dog has intense prey drive like the "MALINOIS", if a dog has to choose from obeying you or chasing a prey, you're in no luck.

i think this problem can still be corrected using the clicker... abtik lang ka na before siya mu-chase imo na gikuha iyang attention and you should reward the dog by listening to you... a good trainer can make the dog focus on him/her no matter what happens... its all in the eye contact...*click*

[siren bane]

i think this problem can still be corrected using the clicker... abtik lang ka na before siya mu-chase imo na gikuha iyang attention and you should reward the dog by listening to you... a good trainer can make the dog focus on him/her no matter what happens... its all in the eye contact...*click*

Yes, thats very true. My husband is also a dog trainer and uses both the the clicker and correction. He's had success with breaking the prey chase using clicker but is having problems when it comes to dealing with breeds like the Belgian Malinois, German Sheperd, Bulmastiff and Pitbulls.

That's why he said if you really want to know how good the "TRAINER" is? Let him train a Belgian Malinois then bring a cat and let the dog chase it. Now, if he can break the chase with just "ONE" command, then you should have lifetime membership in his club/school. Breaking a chase is very important because this could mean the difference between life or death.

[siren bane]

thanks a lot mam for your big help. really appreciate it a lot. what dogs do you have? you train dogs also? or a dog lover and a responsible dog owner

We have several dogs in our house. We have a Golden Retriever, Labrador, Minipin and a Pitbull, we rescued because the previous owner was into dog fighting. These dogs have different temperaments, Our Golden retriever is a very soft dog, who doesnt accept being corrected - even just raising your voice, she lowers her head and submits but she is also the easiest to teach. On the other hand, we have the Pitbull - she has bitten two kids and killed two chickens already, I guess that was the effect of her days in the fighting arena (i wish the previous owner will be put in the ring and have him fight somebody). My husband trains dogs based from what weve experience right in our own backyard, he said "You cant call yourself a dog trainer if you havent trained the softest and the hardest dog". Until now, he still doesnt want to call himself a dog trainer, apprentice pa lang daw.

Good morning Istoryans!

[siren bane]

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sir bittel, i think the best dog trainer is the owner of the dog himself. nka establish nmn gud a og bond sa dog, mao na mas kusog ang pleasing drive sa dog towards you.[/quote]

Thats very true because the first part of dog training is bonding with your dog. But if you really want to hire a trainer, make sure in their program they have what we call the "TRANSFER OF COMMANDS", several sessions should be allotted for it wherein the dog learns to obey not only the trainer but also the "OWNER". Dogs are what they call "HYPERSPECIFIC", in a sense that, what you teach her inside the house doesn't really apply when you are in a Park. We need to generalize things for them, we need to tell them that the "SIT" command is the same command even when in the park. The same goes between the trainer and the owner, I dont know if youve seen this but we've personally experience this, we've had a dog boarded for Obedience Training in our house, we havent practice "TRANSFER OF COMMANDS" that time, so when the "OWNER" gave the command "COME", guess where she went? TO THE TRAINER

My advice is ask the trainer "How he plans to transfer the commands from him to the OWNER?"

Thank you and godd day!

[bingbing]

Great advices Siren Bane ) I also think that the owner should bond with the dog before the dog bonds with the trainer

[bittel]

thanks sa inputs maam siren bane. hehe nana sad ko bag-o na kat-unan bout dog trainings.

sir bittel, i think the best dog trainer is the owner of the dog himself. nka establish nmn gud a og bond sa dog, mao na mas kusog ang pleasing drive sa dog towards you. i suggest mgpa train ka like for 1 session then observe lang sa trainor sir, then after the session, e copy lang ang style sa pag train sa dog para ikaw2x nlng ang mu train.
mas tipid pa sa gasto and ma lingaw pa gyud ka. but thats only my opinion sir. hehe

sir,

your are very true jud and thanks for that idea. i thought of it too, now that you suggested it now i know wa sad jud ko nasayop ako na think..hehehe...but its not gona be that easy. dog training requires lots of patience and study and research too. ive understand that they are many ways and methods on dog training. but patience will have a good reward, just like you sir and siren bane your knowledge are sooo wide about dog and dog trainings that you both and others too know a lot already. im really glad that you responded. thanks

[bittel]

Yes, thats very true. My husband is also a dog trainer and uses both the the clicker and correction. He's had success with breaking the prey chase using clicker but is having problems when it comes to dealing with breeds like the Belgian Malinois, German Sheperd, Bulmastiff and Pitbulls.

That's why he said if you really want to know how good the "TRAINER" is? Let him train a Belgian Malinois then bring a cat and let the dog chase it. Now, if he can break the chase with just "ONE" command, then you should have lifetime membership in his club/school. Breaking a chase is very important because this could mean the difference between life or death.

Wow! i never thought mam that this can be done i had lots of dogs none of them ever listen to me when they started chasing something. i cant just imagine how much time and dedication needed for this