Father Suarez Shrine worth 1 Billion pesos

[lady_blackrose]

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OT @Mannyamador...sir i have observed in your post that you are very religious person and a very firm believer in our religion (RC). w/ due respect sir, can you pls tell me who wrote the BIBLE because you always qoute from the BIBLE, and also what is the religion of MOSES cause in the movie The Ten Commandments in which i think was based on the BIBLE, Moses was very angry w/ those people wno worship the golden icon. And now Fr. Suarez is trying to build a very expensive icon..Just asking!!!!!

im wonderin that too...who wrote the bible?

and if u dont mind me asking sir...are u a priest?or somewhat connected to the church?

and...

proof that god exist...have u seen him?proof that god wrote the bible?u cant even prove it...so come on..

cut the crap!

[istoryaaah]

Please be on topic. As much as I want to discuss religious facts. I'm sure you'll find another thread related to it. This topic on the other hand is related to Fr. Suarez and the 1Billion shrine for the love of himself. I mean for God

[mannyamador]

if im not mistaken....god is everywhere...u dont need a fancy church to pray

No one said you need a building just to pray. But if you are going to worship as a large group, you need one. Do not confuse the issue.

evidencesi erap bro di bah corrupt man to?magsimabahan gale bisan sud-gawas prisuhan...plastik au...

You are confusing the issues. You claimed that there was a specific reason why these people commit the same sins. Now PROVIDE PROOF that supports your claim.

No one is disputing that such persons commit sins repeatedly. The issue is your baseless claim for WHY they do so.

So far you have ZERO EVIDENCE to support your claim. Will you ever provide any?

m wonderin that too...who wrote the bible?

Lots of people wrote the books in the Bible, over several thousand years. The Church took several hundred years to decide which books should be in Bible and to finally compile it. There was no Bible (as we know it) in the early Church. The books that eventually were compiled as the Old testament already existed and were used. The books that made up the New Testament were written by members of the Catholic Church.

The Israelites built an IDOL, not an icon. They worshipped it as a god. A statue of Mary is an icon, and it is NOT worshipped at all. It is then no different from a statue of Jose Rizal, who is admired as a hero. In the Bible, God specifically allowed the building of certain statues or icons. In fact, He commanded it to be done. It is in the Old Testament, Exodus. 25:18–20.

If a statue (or any object) is worshipped by anyone, then those who do so are committing a grave sin. The Church repeatedly warns people about such idolatry. I hear it all the time.

This article might help:

Do Catholics Worship Statues?
Do Catholics Worship Statues?

proof that god exist...have u seen him?

You haven't seen me either, and I most certainly exist.

Here's something to help you. A re-statement of some of the proofs of God's existence. By Peter Kreeft. Try reading and understanding them first before commenting.

• Can You Prove God Exists?
  Can You Prove God Exists? by Peter Kreeft
  
  
• The First Cause Argument
  The First Cause Argument by Peter Kreeft
  
  
• The Argument from Pascal's Wager
  Argument from Pascal's Wager by Peter Kreeft
  
  
• Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God
  Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God by Peter Kreeft & Ronald K. Tacelli

Now, since you're an atheist and believe God does NOT exist, kindly provide me proof that God does NOT exist.

It is not enough to say His existence is not proven. That does NOT prove He doesn't exist. That would be a logical fallacy. Argumentum ad ingorantiam. This is the definition of such an error from Wikipedia:

Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance") or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false or is false only because it has not been proven true.

So, where's your proof for atheism? None?

Please be on topic. As much as I want to discuss religious facts. I'm sure you'll find another thread related to it.

Good point. But as I said earlier, very few facts have been posted here on that issue. We should find out more BEFORE making claims about it. I posted some stuff, but surely there is more to be found.

[istoryaaah]

Good point. But as I said earlier, very few facts have been posted here on that issue. We should find out more BEFORE making claims about it. I posted some stuff, but surely there is more to be found.

And you claim all your wikipedia articles as all FACTS? wow... learn to write your own articles and call it yours before pushing for FACTUAL information coming from internet sources. As I said there is nothing here for you to conquer. Don't mislead yourself into thinking we would take your point without an argument. We had a good education also. bring your facts elsewhere... I'm interested more on Fr. Suarez's facts rather than yours. LOL

[mannyamador]

Your above statement makes no sense. All I'm saying is we need to study the issue some more. Apparently, you don't.

If you're so interested in facts, the why are you too lazy to find any? I'm not going to do your homework for you.

All you've got is opinion based on hearsay.

[istoryaaah]

Your above statement makes no sense. All I'm saying is we need to study the issue some more. Apparently, you don't.

If you're so interested in facts, the why are you too lazy to find any? I'm not going to do your homework for you.

All you've got is opinion based on hearsay.

what is there to study when all we asked is why the 1Billion worth of stone statue or shrine as you call it. This is like 1 + 1 = 2, don't answer "two" one digit is enough.

correction... mine is opinion based on "common sense". I'm too lazy too find facts? why would I search for facts when I have "common sense". You're too intelligent on finding facts you miss the one "right under your nose"... come on.. don't be too personal, none of us here are saint talkers. Would you believe me if I say I'm handsome? coz I wouldn't believe me.

Don't preach for right and wrong here. This is a forum discussion thread, everybody's opinion is right, regardless on how you interpret it. LOL, you must be very accurate in your facts, you should start your own book. I'd love to read it one day. don't push it too hard manny I know your nothing but facts.. LMAO

[pop_cola]

hala... ga away na about beliefs. unsa nmn ni? i thot c father suarez naa dre?

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@manny

Back to topic ta and lets be realistic here...Bro unsa man imong ma say anang project ni pader Suarez?

Uyon kaba ni pader? simple question needs simple answer...

PS: dli ta mag post anang articles kai useless na pls lang.. it could be bias or not.. lets use our common sense dre ok?

[istoryaaah]

as I've repeatedly stressed out. You don't need hundreds of paragraphs and stanzas to comment on this particular topic. clearly manny understands that. don't you manny?

[mannyamador]

You do need the facts.

what is there to study when all we asked is why the 1Billion worth of stone statue or shrine as you call it.

Have you examined the facts upon which you base your opinions?

• Will Fr. Suarez's project really cost 1 billion pesos?
• Is this amount to be spent on the statue alone?
• Can the shrine raise even more money for charity and humanitarian projects?
• Is Fr. Suarez's project approved by the bishops?
• Is he using Church funds?
• Is he going to use donations specifically intended for this project?
• Etc., etc...

It is IRRESPONSIBLE. to publicly air opinions based on hearsay if they can impugn or damage the reputation of another person. In fact, one can be sued for libel if malice can be shown to be present.

A responsible person gets the facts first.