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  1. #91

    The difference between The Venus Project and what we have today is the application of science and technology working towards the benefit of all mankind and the environment. It is not perfect, meaning, people will still have personal issues, but it's far better than the competitive society we live in where everyone is taking advantage of everyone else.

    When humans came out of the cave, they had limited resources and tools, so they had to fight for survival. Today, we have an abundance of resources and tools, and we can use them globally, for everyone, but the competitive systems of today keep that from happening. People are greedy instead of sharing, and this has all to do with the way we all think. The way we think can be changed, we're not locked into these mindsets, we can make a decision to see things another way, but people don't want to make that decision, because the society we live in promotes and rewards greediness.

    The systems we developed since we didn't have so many resources and tools are self sustaining and have locked us into this primal survival situation, fighting for resources, and keeps us from applying the concepts of cooperation, and locks us into selfishness.

    Not only could that possibly change, but it needs to change, and it WILL change. There is no "it won't work", it's GOING to happen, the only issue now is how long it takes.

  2. #92
    kapoy ninyu oi! para way samok! maypa matay mo TANAN!.. wa naman ni paglaum kalibutana!! nay mga taw sama nilang ******** maka tabang unta, pero talawan kaayu mo huna huna ug mga radical solutions for ultra extreme problems...

    pessimistic kaayu cge ingun what if what if... PESSIMISM ray ni kaon sa inyung mga utok!!! mao nga maDUGTA mo uban aning SYSTEMAHA!!! hahahahah unta!!! JUD MADUGTA UG MAMATAY MO ug apil kuyog sa KAPITALISMO!! nyahahahaha

    kay d naman mo kahibAw mo VISSUALIZE! naa moy alternative?? WALA puro ra mo critic, critic! maayu na alng mi kay ni present mi ug critic, nya na pa jud alternative options... RADICAL lang, pero its logical to be radical if the situation is EXTREME! THINK DUDE!!! THINK!!!GAMITA UTOK!! TAW MAN KAHA mo!!! pero cge na lang. Nya balik balik pa jud inyu argument on Human nature... mabaw ra kaayu... wa mo ga huna huna nga naay HUMAN REASON?? paeta ninyu toon sa mo oi!... na pay usa dinha civil war2 kuno sa Aprika, wui.. taka lang ka! pag toon balik oi! civil tungod na sa pagnaglalis sa property!!!! dili na Natural occuring phenomenon!.... hahahahahah

    na say usa dinha neutral boy, taka gihapon istorya... ANYWaY!....

    wa nakoy mabuhat kay inyu man pud na! usa pa Komportable man akong pagka himutang under aning sistemaha... maka kaon pa man ko 3 sa usa ka adlaw....

    kamo? na moy mga utang? maka bayad mo? unta lang... kay mga umaabot nga tuig... d namu ka bayad kay nadugta na ang Financial System, unta mo uban mo sa pagdugta niini.... baho-a baya anang madugta nga sistema oi... hahahahah

    bitaw oi, last na ni nako nga reply, kay kapoi na...

  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by KaRoger View Post
    kapoy ninyu oi! para way samok! maypa matay mo TANAN!.. wa naman ni paglaum kalibutana!! nay mga taw sama nilang ******** maka tabang unta, pero talawan kaayu mo huna huna ug mga radical solutions for ultra extreme problems...

    pessimistic kaayu cge ingun what if what if... PESSIMISM ray ni kaon sa inyung mga utok!!! mao nga maDUGTA mo uban aning SYSTEMAHA!!! hahahahah unta!!! JUD MADUGTA UG MAMATAY MO ug apil kuyog sa KAPITALISMO!! nyahahahaha

    kay d naman mo kahibAw mo VISSUALIZE! naa moy alternative?? WALA puro ra mo critic, critic! maayu na alng mi kay ni present mi ug critic, nya na pa jud alternative options... RADICAL lang, pero its logical to be radical if the situation is EXTREME! THINK DUDE!!! THINK!!!GAMITA UTOK!! TAW MAN KAHA mo!!! pero cge na lang. Nya balik balik pa jud inyu argument on Human nature... mabaw ra kaayu... wa mo ga huna huna nga naay HUMAN REASON?? paeta ninyu toon sa mo oi!... na pay usa dinha civil war2 kuno sa Aprika, wui.. taka lang ka! pag toon balik oi! civil tungod na sa pagnaglalis sa property!!!! dili na Natural occuring phenomenon!.... hahahahahah

    na say usa dinha neutral boy, taka gihapon istorya... ANYWaY!....

    wa nakoy mabuhat kay inyu man pud na! usa pa Komportable man akong pagka himutang under aning sistemaha... maka kaon pa man ko 3 sa usa ka adlaw....

    kamo? na moy mga utang? maka bayad mo? unta lang... kay mga umaabot nga tuig... d namu ka bayad kay nadugta na ang Financial System, unta mo uban mo sa pagdugta niini.... baho-a baya anang madugta nga sistema oi... hahahahah

    bitaw oi, last na ni nako nga reply, kay kapoi na...
    ingon ang doctor, uyon uyoni lang ko na ninyo si karoger

  4. #94
    dah! nasuko na hino-on si karoger... calm down ang puso mo...

    how do we abolish a system? and eradicate social class?
    ummm... process mana... we cannot abolish a system overnight nor change people's orientation na kalit lang... lets start with making the inverted triangle into a diamond, more middle class... hantud ang diamond mahimong square... hehehehe.... so how do we go about that... education... i think....

    lets start with educating... nursery pa lang tud-luan na ang bata... to have more discipline, to be less individualistic, to be cooperative and act as a group rather as one person...

    in every politcal issue.. dili gyud makalikayan ang pag-istorya sa human nature... man needs to learn strict discipline to control his ownself...


    but for now karoger... i'll celebrate capitalism... while i eat PizzaHut, drink my starbucks coffee, surf the net with my Asus laptop, check my Nokia cellphone for any message... i love capitalism... joke!

  5. #95
    karoger - you seem to be upset. you tend to blame everybody for not agreeing with you. think about this - how do you convert an atheist to becoming a christian and vice versa. Matod pa ni amigang unsay_ngalan - it is a process. Politics is a process, the birth of communism was a process. the downfall of communist USSR was a process. The changing of mindset in China was a process and is a continuing process.

    I came from the place were CPP-NPA was born "karoger". I just hope you know where that place is. I hope you know who ka Dante was, Pedring Taruc and Linda Bie. I am a decendant of Linda bie now living here in Cebu. I know this in theory and how it is operationalize.

    Pakaka lale tamu sanang manyalita Abe bangkanita masaya in bie.

  6. #96
    mao nang si george carlin ni ingon...

    "fock hope, the human game was up a long time ago, when the merchants and high priests took over."

  7. #97
    Kung communism na ang kalibutan ba... patas na tanan... each one is working sa field sa iyahang specialty... each one is working for the entire group.... do we get equally the same resources o naa gihapon variations? Naa man gyud cguroy leader ani diba? parehas ra iyang makuha sa makuha sa basurero? kung ma parehas na, ayos gyud kaau na... kung dili gani, aw capitalism nalang ku...

  8. #98
    Here's a very interesting piece from d CPP on d current global upheaval & its effect in Philippine society.

    Source


    The global and domestic economic crisis is pushing the people to wage revolutionary struggle
    Communist Party of the Philippines
    January 30, 2009

    The worsening global and domestic economic crisis is pressing down hard on the masses of the Filipino people. The rotten ruling system is sinking so deep, it is helpless to lift itself and is only pushing the masses into ever worse squalor. Millions are being dislocated by the crisis. It is becoming increasingly clear to the Filipino people that there is no other option but to wage revolutionary struggle to put an end to the rotten, plunderous and oppressive semicolonial and semifeudal system.

    In the past few weeks, tens of thousands of Filipino workers in the semiconductor and other semimanufacturing sectors have lost their jobs as subsidiaries and comprador firms of multinationals in the export processing zones closed or drastically slowed down production. Government statistics show about 20,000 workers have been retrenched as of last week while up to 34,000 were working with reduced hours. The actual situation is much worse.

    Several hundred thousands more in the private sector are expected be retrenched in the coming months. Tens of thousands more government employees are also set to be retrenched by the Arroyo regime in callous obedience to the IMF-imposed government "streamlining and rationalization" program.

    Thousands of Filipino migrant workers terminated from their jobs abroad have already been forced to return home in the past few weeks. Close to half a million migrant workers are expected to lose their jobs and add to the growing unemployment in the country in the next few months.

    The Filipino people have long been suffering from a permanent crisis under prevailing semicolonial and semifeudal conditions that allow the imperialists to exploit the people and plunder the economy. The imperialists and the puppet state prevent industrial growth and land reform. The local economy is overly dominated by the export of semi-manufactures and more heavily dependent on imports. The permanent crisis of the local economy has been further exacerbated by the policies of imperialist "globalization" carried out intensively by successive puppet regimes since the early 1990s.

    Imperialist "globalization" has shown itself to be totally bankrupt. As a result of the global production slowdown, local semiconductor "manufacturing" is on the verge of collapse. It is the impoverished workers and toiling masses and the tens of millions of the unemployed who are bearing the brunt of total compliance with imperialist "globalization" under the US-Arroyo regime. The crisis is fast reaching the point where the prolonged global and domestic economic crisis is developing into a depression.

    Gloria Arroyo, one of the foremost proponents of imperialist "globalization" since its onset, insists on its discredited policies. She downplays the fact that, all along, it is these policies which have caused the destruction of local productive forces, the aggravation of poverty and hunger in the country and the plunge of the Philippine economy deeper and deeper into crisis. Her policies run counter to the long-standing need for genuine land reform and national industrialization. She feeds the people with empty palliatives. She conceals the massive unemployment figures and has no sympathy at all for the toiling masses and Filipino people. She has nothing but contempt for the people who are offered nothing but suggestions to find work overseas.

    Worse, in the guise of putting up a so-called "economic stimulus package," she grabs and mobilizes billions in public funds and even government and private workers' and employees' social security funds in order to steal all the more and use these as stash funds for her continued hold on power.

    The exacerbated crisis in the country is gathering storm. Workers, government employees, the urban poor, the unemployed, students and other sectors are bound to pour out into the streets and other places of assembly to protest growing unemployment, widespread hunger, deteriorating social services, rampant corruption, fascist repression and the US-Arroyo regime's dirty schemes to perpetuate itself in power.

    The Filipino people are left with no other option but to wage revolutionary struggle in order to smash the rotten exploitative and oppressive puppet ruling system and replace it with one that is truly liberated, democratic, propeople, equitable and progressive. Conditions are ever ripe for revolution. The revolutionary forces should do their utmost to arouse, organize and mobilize the masses as extensively and intensively as possible.

    The Communist Party calls on the masses of the Filipino people to rise up and muster their collective strength in the factories, farms, offices and other workplaces, schools and communities in the cities and countryside, heighten their mass struggles and wage revolution. The CPP calls on the working class, in particular, to take their place at the forefront of revolutionary struggle.

    The Party-led revolutionary forces are further expanding and intensifying people's war and raising it to a higher level amid the escalating crisis of the ruling system. Recruitment in the revolutionary mass organizations and the people's army is rising. The New People's Army is launching more frequent and intensified tactical offensives. The propagation of revolutionary land reform and the establishment of people's democratic political power are proceeding hand-in-hand with the advance of armed struggle.

    The revolutionary people's war is bound to progress throughout the country in the next few years as the global and local crisis deepens further. The Filipino people and their revolutionary forces are ever determined to bring people's war to a new and higher stage and accumulate bigger and greater victories.

  9. #99
    Jerry Michael - yes it is interesting but they need to propose a solution to the existing problem instead of being part of the problem. they only proposed revolution but what kind of structure do they intend to impose? assuming they get to be in power?

  10. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryLiwanag View Post
    Jerry Michael - yes it is interesting but they need to propose a solution to the existing problem instead of being part of the problem. they only proposed revolution but what kind of structure do they intend to impose? assuming they get to be in power?
    Thanks for showing interest, Mr. HenryLiwanag ---Pls. browse thru this Program Background & this The National Democratic Front of the Philippines 12 Points Program.

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