Mass Killing of Dolphins (Kindly Watch This)

[Dorothea]

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@rodsky If people feel sorry for dolphins and whales because of the graphic violence in these videos, then their feelings are misplaced ... and that truly understates the nature of the problem which solves nothing. Cuteness should not decide whether a species is saved or not. A lot of species that are neither cute or visible are worthy of conservation.



No. The answer is it CANNOT be done with today's science and if it could be done, the Japanese would have already done it. The simple fact is, whales and dolphins cannot be farmed when it takes years for them to reach adulthood. If it cannot be made economical, it cannot be farmed. The Japanese have tried to farm blue fin tuna and have failed to produce any with size, taste and numbers to wet their market's appetite. How well do you believe they will do in farming whales and dolphins?

You can only save something/someone who is in danger and who clearly needs help. You cannot do the Heimlich on someone who's not choking. A baywatch babe never goes running seductively into the water unless someone is flapping his arms excitedly, in danger of drowning. To be the heroes that we are, we can only stand guard and keep watch. And then when there's a clear cry for help, then we can shout, "Darna!".

So the best strategy is, let's wait until these creatures drastically diminish in numbers, are officially on the endangered list, then we can whip out our spandex costumes. For now, hold your horses.

[vern]

Too many people take one side or the other on this issue. I take the practical middle of the road view. I believe people should be able to eat what they want. Whether we like it or not, humans are masters of the world. However, we are part of this world and must depend on it's resources. We need to be responsible with our consumption and preservation of what the Earth has to offer. All of civilization depends on it. Easter Island is just one example where mismanaged resources have spelled the end.

So back to your question that perhaps Dorothea should be answering ... there is no special reason to save the dolphin other than simple resource management. We can raise pigs and manage their populations, lobsters in the wild can be managed in such a way as to be plentiful enough for all the Red Lobsters in the US and around the world, we can manage pollack in the North Pacific even after millions of tons of yearly harvests. Why can't the same resource management be applied to other overfished and overhunted species? Yes, you can have your cake and eat it too ... in the process, you might even prolong what could be an inevitable extinction of yours and everyone else's choice to eat what you want. If I wanted to eat dolphin or whale or blue fin tuna thirty years from now, I would like to have that option, but not with the way the resource is being managed today.

[Dorothea]

^Nganong wala man mitubag aning akong pangutana, ok ra ba magpadayon ning atong mga cannibals to keep on enjoying their gustatory delights? The_Child, mao na dapat nimong pangutana. Nganong gi condemn man ni nato ning mga cannibals?

Save the cannibals. They should be able to enjoy themselves without fear of prejudice.

[The_Child]

Too many people take one side or the other on this issue. I take the practical middle of the road view. I believe people should be able to eat what they want. Whether we like it or not, humans are masters of the world. However, we are part of this world and must depend on it's resources. We need to be responsible with our consumption and preservation of what the Earth has to offer. All of civilization depends on it. Easter Island is just one example where mismanaged resources have spelled the end.

So back to your question that perhaps Dorothea should be answering ... there is no special reason to save the dolphin other than simple resource management. We can raise pigs and manage their populations, lobsters in the wild can be managed in such a way as to be plentiful enough for all the Red Lobsters in the US and around the world, we can manage pollack in the North Pacific even after millions of tons of yearly harvests. Why can't the same resource management be applied to other overfished and overhunted species? Yes, you can have your cake and eat it too ... in the process, you might even prolong what could be an inevitable extinction of yours and everyone else's choice to eat what you want. If I wanted to eat dolphin or whale or blue fin tuna thirty years from now, I would like to have that option, but not with the way the resource is being managed today.

exactly! we are guilty of SPECIESISM. we think of dolphins as mere utility, thus saving them only for economic purposes. We dont care about their inherent value as living, feeling, creatures who also feel pain, who also suffer from being slaughtered, who has the basic capability of feeling terrible fear and misery when we kill them, we dont care about that fact. They are mere objects for the purposes of what human beings could think of - thus, speciesism.

cheers!

[The_Child]

^Nganong wala man mitubag aning akong pangutana, ok ra ba magpadayon ning atong mga cannibals to keep on enjoying their gustatory delights? The_Child, mao na dapat nimong pangutana. Nganong gi condemn man ni nato ning mga cannibals?

Save the cannibals. They should be able to enjoy themselves without fear of prejudice.

i'm not familiar with the rituals, sociology and psychology of cannibalism. it differs in different tribes. or when placed in a modern society considered -abnormal. Nganong gi-condemn nato? - i dont know, ask those who condemn them.

But we do not slaughter cannibals, do we? of course not. So whats the connection with the dolphins?

[rodsky]

^Nganong wala man mitubag aning akong pangutana, ok ra ba magpadayon ning atong mga cannibals to keep on enjoying their gustatory delights? The_Child, mao na dapat nimong pangutana. Nganong gi condemn man ni nato ning mga cannibals?

Save the cannibals. They should be able to enjoy themselves without fear of prejudice.

Can you please explain to the dear readers what cannibalism really is? For most of you, it's just a band of deranged, crazy people driven to eat other people. But again, see how "common knowledge" and media hype, and Hollywood can twist your understanding.

Cannibalism exists in many forms, and not all of it is "devilish" as most of you see it. Again, just a quick visit to Wikipedia will help you understand it better, rather than flinch at the mention of the word.

At this point, I'd like to declare a PREDICTION: The next thing you'll do (see? I can anticipate it), just because I raised this point, is to then conclude that I support the act cannibalism. *shakes head, you guys are so predictable*

-RODION

[vern]

exactly! we are guilty of SPECIESISM. we think of dolphins as mere utility, thus saving them only for economic purposes. We dont care about their inherent value as living, feeling, creatures who also feel pain, who also suffer from being slaughtered, who has the basic capability of feeling terrible fear and misery when we kill them, we dont care about that fact. They are mere objects for the purposes of what human beings could think of - thus, speciesism.

cheers!

You make that sound like a bad thing.

[Dorothea]

exactly! we are guilty of SPECIESISM. we think of dolphins as mere utility, thus saving them only for economic purposes. We dont care about their inherent value as living, feeling, creatures who also feel pain, who also suffer from being slaughtered, who has the basic capability of feeling terrible fear and misery when we kill them, we dont care about that fact. They are mere objects for the purposes of what human beings could think of - thus, speciesism.

cheers!

The_Child: Unsa man nang specieshisismmm oi? Kalisod ba litokon ana. I-define kuno na beh. Ang akong tubag nimo The_Child, who the heck cares? Who cares if we want to save the dolphins for all sorts of reasons? Vern wants to save the dolphins as a way to manage our resources. You want to save the dolphins because they feel pain. I want to save them because they're cute! Who the heck cares why we save them? The thing that matters is that we SAVE them! We don't need to come up with the "right" reason to move our ass and do something. We just have to do it.

That pilot who landed that plane in the Hudson, who the heck cares if he was trying to save his passengers or he was just trying to save his own a**. By trying to save himself, he saved those other people as well. He gets to be a hero, no one died, everybody's happy.

So dili nata maghisgot aning specieshismsmms. Let's go save everyone and everything!

[brownprose]

a squeamish, animal-lover friend told me about this clip and i asked her: why are we saying that such a thing is bad, if we allow pigs to be slaughtered and to be feasted upon?

What is the difference between Dolphins and Pigs? = convention? which is no different from tradition.

why do we have to protect them? is it for their own sake, is it for our own sake, or is it just good that we have to refrain from killing?

What is the justification for saying that a Dolphin's life is worth saving, while we slaughter cattle everyday, what is the difference?

i always ask tree-huggers that. so what is the difference? Or we just squeamish with the fact that 'fun-loving, good-loving, creatures of the sea are being killed = a matter of public perception?

Perception or the difference between animals is not much of an issue. Before us is a choice whether to KILL (in the name of economics and social/culture side of it) OR NOT TO KILL (for the sake of perpetuating biodiversity).

Killing whales is a bad case of economics as whales are difficult-to-replenish marine resources compared to cattle or poultry. It's also bad culture to kill whales for the sake of tradition. Humans can let go of tradition anytime if they so will. As I've mentioned, we had a bad case of tradition like slavery that was going on since the advent of civilization but we got rid of it. And as I've mentioned, I don't see any reason why a bad tradition like killing whales can't be abandoned as we did with slavery.

[Dorothea]

Can you please explain to the dear readers what cannibalism really is? For most of you, it's just a band of deranged, crazy people driven to eat other people. But again, see how "common knowledge" and media hype, and Hollywood can twist your understanding.

Cannibalism exists in many forms, and not all of it is "devilish" as most of you see it. Again, just a quick visit to Wikipedia will help you understand it better, rather than flinch at the mention of the word.

At this point, I'd like to declare a PREDICTION: The next thing you'll do (see? I can anticipate it), just because I raised this point, is to then conclude that I support the act cannibalism. *shakes head, you guys are so predictable*

-RODION

Mura pud ka'g si Madam Auring kintahay, hehehe, prediction pa.

Rodsky, have you ever seen in the insides of a human being? Have you ever cut the skin open exposing those fascinating muscles, veins, arteries, human passageways. Even human fat is fascinating.

I will make my own prediction: you will now think I'm a cannibal, or I aspire to be one. You're so predictable.

Let's save the polar bears first before we save the dolphins.