Do you believe in Reincarnation?

[necrotic freak]

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Well, again I cannot blame you my friend for your belief. I don't believe that the world will end. The universe is evolving as it should. There is no final judgment except the judgment you give to yourself and others. GOD does not punish nor reward you. You punish and reward yourself by the consequences of your actions.

you dont believe in the second coming of Christ either? OMG do you still belive in GOD? just wondering.

even your article on reincarnation of Elijah to John believes there is a second coming of the Christ. wala kay contradiction sa?

If you believe that GOD is INFINITE GOODNESS and LOVE, nganong naa may ma impyerno for eternity? that's a great contradiction of GOD. di ba? ikaw kung imong pinalanggang anak makapatay kadaghan unya ma priso siya, para nimo dili na nimo pasayloon ug tagaan ug chance? Unsa man?

God doesnt contradict my friend.. kamo ra nag mugna ug contradiction.. mao nanan imong gi ingon "You punish and reward yourself by the consequences of your actions."

natural para natong tao mapasaylo jud nato oi... tao ra gud ta.. unya kay lahi man sad ang sa Ginoo.. ingon siya naa gyud sala nga dili mapasaylo in this age and to the ages to come... unya supak ka ana reg?

[regnauld]

you dont believe in the second coming of Christ either? OMG do you still belive in GOD? just wondering.

even your article on reincarnation of Elijah to John believes there is a second coming of the Christ. wala kay contradiction sa?




God doesnt contradict my friend.. kamo ra nag mugna ug contradiction.. mao nanan imong gi ingon "You punish and reward yourself by the consequences of your actions."

natural para natong tao mapasaylo jud nato oi... tao ra gud ta.. unya kay lahi man sad ang sa Ginoo.. ingon siya naa gyud sala nga dili mapasaylo in this age and to the ages to come... unya supak ka ana reg?

The second coming of Christ is not really literal my friend! For me it is very symbolic. The Christ is a title. It could be interpreted as being born again meaning being transformed again by the Spirit of GOD. Even all religions consider THE CHRIST as a title to attain, that is to become like Jesus or to attain GOD CONSCIOUSNESS. Why? If I don't believe in the second coming literally speaking, does that mean I should not believe in GOD anymore? Think again. That's illogical my friend!
Yes in the article there is the coming of the Christ and Christ has come already. Jesus has demonstrated that in his lifetime. The Second Coming again is symbolical and not literal for me. Why wait for Jesus The Christ to come when the coming is already here. The Spirit of Christ is always here. What we just have to do is invite and accept The Spirit of Christ to come into our lives and in our consciousness.

So, there is no contradiction for me. You just don't understand my explanation. Yes, there is no contradiction in GOD. Remember I don't contradict myself because I am not the original of this teaching. The early Christians already taught about this. And the most important of all Jesus himself taught reincarnation in the bible. Am I punishing myself? NO. Am I rewarding myself? YES because I understood the teachings of Jesus.

Makapasaylo man gani ka nga tawo ra ka unsa na kaha ang GINOO! Ug unya kay mga anak man ta sa Ginoo, maka tugot diay ang Ginoo nga naay ma impyerno hangtod sa hangtod? Tanang mga sala mapasaylo kay naay gahom ang Ginoo. GOD is the GOD of INFINITE GOODNESS and LOVE! Basig imong Ginoo nga dili ka pasaylo lahi sa akong Ginoo nga makapsaylo sa tanang mga sala bisan unsa pa ka dako.: Peace!!!

[mordecai_327]

Well, there are lots of errors in the bible but not all are erroneous. I believe in the bible as one of the sources of sipiritual truth and wisdom. In the case of reincarnation as taught by Jesus The Christ, so far, I didn't see any contradiction. So far, no bible verse has disproved the doctrine of reincarnation. Peace!

...really? Ows...how about Hebrews 9:27? Let's take a look at it.

Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate (take note!) the possibility of reincarnation and karma. First, it states that we are “destined to die once,” meaning that humans are only born once and only die once. There is no endless cycle of life and death and rebirth that is inherent in the reincarnation theory. Second, it states that after death we face judgment, meaning that there is no second chance, like there is in reincarnation and karma, to live a better life. You get one shot at life and living it according to God’s plan, and that’s it.

...it just gives me the impression that you haven't done your Bible reading yet. And claiming that Jesus Christ taught reincarnation is baseless. I have asked in my previous posts that you provide Scriptural basis if Jesus indeed taught Reincarnation and you end up presenting passages that you mangled/took out of context just to support your claim. Those verses does not even, in any way, suggest the idea of Reincarnation or karma.

[regnauld]

...really? Ows...how about Hebrews 9:27? Let's take a look at it.

Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate (take note!) the possibility of reincarnation and karma. First, it states that we are “destined to die once,” meaning that humans are only born once and only die once. There is no endless cycle of life and death and rebirth that is inherent in the reincarnation theory. Second, it states that after death we face judgment, meaning that there is no second chance, like there is in reincarnation and karma, to live a better life. You get one shot at life and living it according to God’s plan, and that’s it.

...it just gives me the impression that you haven't done your Bible reading yet. And claiming that Jesus Christ taught reincarnation is baseless. I have asked in my previous posts that you provide Scriptural basis if Jesus indeed taught Reincarnation and you end up presenting passages that you mangled/took out of context just to support your claim. Those verses does not even, in any way, suggest the idea of Reincarnation or karma.

Hebrews 9:27 Does Not Disprove Reincarnation

Hebrews 9:27 is often quoted out of context as proof that the New Testament preaches against reincarnation. The verse that is quoted says: "... man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,.. KJV. The logic expressed is that since a man only dies once that this is proof that we only incarnate physically once. The argument goes that if we reincarnate over and over then we die more than once. Since this scripture plainly says we die only once then this scripture obviously disproves reincarnation. However, this logic doesn't hold up. The New Testament teaches that more than one death is possible. In fact it teachs that the majority of mankind is in danger of a second death. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Why would Hebrews talk of man only dying once and in Revelation speak of man dying twice. Is this a contradiction? There is no contradiction. This is made clear when Hebrews 9:27 is read in the context of what is being taught.
The author of Hebrews 9:27 was not discussing reincarnation at all. The subject being addressed was whether or not Yeshua (Jesus) had to die more than once for the sins of mankind. One of the misconsceptions about the sacrifice Yeshua made for the sins of mankind was whether or not he had to be sacrificed over and over like the sacrifices made in the temple were every year. From the Jewish mindset, this was a legitamate concern. The Jewish law required a blood sacrifice every year for the sins of the nation. The author of Hebrews dispells the notion that Yeshua had to die more than once and this is made clear when it is read in the context of the other verses.
However, this verse isn't talking about reincarnation at all. If you read the entire Chapter of Hebrews 9 you will notice that the subject was about whether or not Christ had to be sacrificed more than once. This is made obvious when the scripture is read in context with the before and after scriptures.
Hebrews 9:19 When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. 23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. NIV
The author of Hebrews uses a simile here to make his point that Christ only has to die once. With the exception of individuals such has Lazurus, who died and was physically resurrected by Christ as one of the miracles he performed to prove he was the Messiah, most people only die once. Hebrews 9:27 is not about reincarnation but is part of a series of verses that are discussing something else entirely. As such, the scripture is useless in proving or disproving reincarnation.

[Gray_Fox]

Makapasaylo man gani ka nga tawo ra ka unsa na kaha ang GINOO! Ug unya kay mga anak man ta sa Ginoo, maka tugot diay ang Ginoo nga naay ma impyerno hangtod sa hangtod? Tanang mga sala mapasaylo kay naay gahom ang Ginoo. GOD is the GOD of INFINITE GOODNESS and LOVE! Basig imong Ginoo nga dili ka pasaylo lahi sa akong Ginoo nga makapsaylo sa tanang mga sala bisan unsa pa ka dako.: Peace!!!

so, are you saying that God has flaws since the way you understand the Infinite Goodness and Love of God can be abuse... like i can kill all people in the world. i don't care since i will be save in the end. is that it? how lame can that be?

[mordecai_327]

Hebrews 9:27 Does Not Disprove Reincarnation

Hebrews 9:27 is often quoted out of context as proof that the New Testament preaches against reincarnation. The verse that is quoted says: "... man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,.. KJV. The logic expressed is that since a man only dies once that this is proof that we only incarnate physically once. The argument goes that if we reincarnate over and over then we die more than once. Since this scripture plainly says we die only once then this scripture obviously disproves reincarnation. However, this logic doesn't hold up. The New Testament teaches that more than one death is possible. In fact it teachs that the majority of mankind is in danger of a second death. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Why would Hebrews talk of man only dying once and in Revelation speak of man dying twice. Is this a contradiction? There is no contradiction. This is made clear when Hebrews 9:27 is read in the context of what is being taught.
The author of Hebrews 9:27 was not discussing reincarnation at all. The subject being addressed was whether or not Yeshua (Jesus) had to die more than once for the sins of mankind. One of the misconsceptions about the sacrifice Yeshua made for the sins of mankind was whether or not he had to be sacrificed over and over like the sacrifices made in the temple were every year. From the Jewish mindset, this was a legitamate concern. The Jewish law required a blood sacrifice every year for the sins of the nation. The author of Hebrews dispells the notion that Yeshua had to die more than once and this is made clear when it is read in the context of the other verses.
However, this verse isn't talking about reincarnation at all. If you read the entire Chapter of Hebrews 9 you will notice that the subject was about whether or not Christ had to be sacrificed more than once. This is made obvious when the scripture is read in context with the before and after scriptures.
Hebrews 9:19 When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. 23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. NIV
The author of Hebrews uses a simile here to make his point that Christ only has to die once. With the exception of individuals such has Lazurus, who died and was physically resurrected by Christ as one of the miracles he performed to prove he was the Messiah, most people only die once. Hebrews 9:27 is not about reincarnation but is part of a series of verses that are discussing something else entirely. As such, the scripture is useless in proving or disproving reincarnation.

This happens when one is not acquainted with the original language of the New Testament (i.e., Greek). The nuances of the Greek wordings that the author of the book of Hebrews does not even gives a hint that "The logic expressed is that since a man only dies once that this is proof that we only incarnate physically once. The argument goes that if we reincarnate over and over then we die more than once. Since this scripture plainly says we die only once then this scripture obviously disproves reincarnation.".

But anyways...since you are bent on believing that Reincarnation is really viable and true, then have it your way, Reg. After all, I am much more comfortable knowing that after I die, I will be with my Maker enjoying His presence and not be reincarnated again, unlike you who will be repeating that endless cycle of rebirth which is for me, tiresome and useless, if it's even true.

...I would just have to take all of this as the plain case of mamboo-jamboo thingamajig thingamabob Reincarnation!

[regnauld]

so, are you saying that God has flaws since the way you understand the Infinite Goodness and Love of God can be abuse... like i can kill all people in the world. i don't care since i will be save in the end. is that it? how lame can that be?

GOD has no flaws whatsoever because HE is GOD! GOD is even beyond perfection! You can or may abuse the INFINITE LOVE and GOODNESS of GOD but it doesn't mean that you will not suffer the consequences. Remember that GOD set into motion the LAW OF KARMA or Cause and EFFECT! If you will kill all people in the world, the LAW of KARMA states that for every action, there is always an opposite and equivalent reaction. You are just punishing yourself. You will be punished by the LAW here on earth and YOU will pay all the debts (KILLING) in many lifetimes as you have killed many people. THE LAW OF KARMA IS JUST. It is neither a punishment nor a reward. But since you made the choice by killing all people, you will be responsible for your KARMA here and in the next and other lifetimes until you will be able to pay what you have done. That's it!!! That's not lame. That's the LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT which is very SCIENTIFIC my friend!!!

[regnauld]

This happens when one is not acquainted with the original language of the New Testament (i.e., Greek). The nuances of the Greek wordings that the author of the book of Hebrews does not even gives a hint that "The logic expressed is that since a man only dies once that this is proof that we only incarnate physically once. The argument goes that if we reincarnate over and over then we die more than once. Since this scripture plainly says we die only once then this scripture obviously disproves reincarnation.".

But anyways...since you are bent on believing that Reincarnation is really viable and true, then have it your way, Reg. After all, I am much more comfortable knowing that after I die, I will be with my Maker enjoying His presence and not be reincarnated again, unlike you who will be repeating that endless cycle of rebirth which is for me, tiresome and useless, if it's even true.

...I would just have to take all of this as the plain case of mamboo-jamboo thingamajig thingamabob Reincarnation!

Maboo-jamboo? Are you a BIBLE SCHOLAR? You don't even know that there are lost doctrines of Christianity. Why get defensive? I'm just presenting the facts here about biblical sources of reincarnation! Anyway, you are free to refute this using your authoritative sources which is the BIBLE!
The Lost Doctrines of Christianity

Is mainstream Christianity consistent with the message Christ preached 2,000 years ago? If it was then we should be able to find passages in the New Testament where Christ taught the guiding principals that inspired modern Christian Culture. .
Did Christ Teach The Following?
“If you follow me and keep my birthday then a man in a red suit will fly in the sky with magic reindeer and bring you presents for being my disciples. And if you follow me and follow my teachings then a bunny rabbit will bring you colored eggs every spring. And if you stay true to my teachings you will keep a hallow ceremony every autumn and dress as ghosts, witches, and devils and teach the children that extorting candy is right and good.”
Obviously Christ did not teach this yet these events are the highlights of Christian Culture every year. These hallmark ceremonies of mainstream Christianities have their origins in paganism and are not consistent with the teachings of Christ or the practices of the early church. How did Christianity deteriorate to this level of paganism and materialism?
Another hallmark of modern Christianity is the belief that all is required of his disciples today is to believe on him and accept him as their savior and their eternal life is assured. Regardless whether one studies the teaching of the Catholic Church or the Protestant Churches that came out of her, the belief systems of these mainstream organizations can be summarized as follows: “When someone is born, they get a soul that has never existed before, and unless that individual accepts Christ as their savior before they die, their soul goes to Hell.” This means that anybody who belongs to any other religion is doomed to eternal torment. Another interesting dilemma posed by this theology is that anybody who lived and died before the time of Christ is also doomed to Hell. How could they accept Christ if Christ hadn’t lived yet?
Yet when one studies the teachings of Christ, as recorded in the New Testament, he never claimed that he came to die for the sins of mankind or even that he came to save everyone at that time. In actuality, he on purposely cloaked his teaching in parables to prevent the masses from understanding the true meaning of his teachings.
Matthew 13 10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11 He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ 16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. NIV
When he did discuss his death it was to show that by being dead exactly 3 days and nights would prove he was the Messiah.
Matthew 12:39-41
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. KJV
So what was Christ's Message if it wasn't "I have come to die for your sins?" His true message about who he was and who we are is more amazing than you can imagine. The message Christ preached was not new. It was a very old message about who Christ was and who we are.

The Lost Doctrines of Christianity

[Gray_Fox]

That's the LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT which is very SCIENTIFIC my friend!!!

scientific? or its just your scientific imagination? there is no way that science can prove karma so science has nothing to do with this.

[Soul Doctor]

ok granting reincarnation is real, and you said if a bad person die his soul will be reincarnated back to life to change his past. am i right? what if that person still do evil in his 2nd life? will he be riencarnated again for a 3rd life? and is there a limitation for a soul how many times he can reincarnate? or its unlimited.

The bad person reincarnates not to change his past
but to face the consequence of his past life.

His second life is a life of consequence or punishment.
If he doesn't learn the lesson yet and still do the same mistakes,
then he get another consequence,
but this time the punishment is much heavier than the first.

It is understood that God directs the souls.
It is his decision to when and where to reincarnate that soul.