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[regnauld]

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The proof that the Bible writers contradict themselves on the matter of salvation is given below.

Mark
Luke
Paul
Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized




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"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned."
(Mark 16:16)


Obey Commandments and Give All Money to the Poor


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The man asked him, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?"

You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother…Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
(Luke 18:18-22)

Nothing you do will change your fate. God deliberately made men who would not be saved, no matter what they did
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He chose us …before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight… he predestined us
(Ephesians 1:4-6)

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
(Romans 9:13-21)

[regnauld]

Note that these three Bible writers totally contradict one another.



1. Mark said that if you believed in Jesus and were baptized, you would be saved. There's no mention of obeying commandments or giving up your money.


2. Luke said that if you obeyed the commandments and gave up your riches to the poor, you would be saved. There's no mention of believing Jesus or being baptized.

If God really did want us to believe that we could be saved by believing in Jesus, being baptized, obeying the commandments, and giving up our money to the poor, why didn't he use his infinite powers to make sure that Mark and Luke each gave us the same message? The answer appears to be that the two writers had different backgrounds and different beliefs about what the "word of God" was.

The problem is much worse than this, however, as can be seen in the third column in the table above.

3. Paul says that no matter what man does, he cannot alter God's plan for him. God predestined each man either to be cast into the fiery pits, or else to live evermore in his kingdom of heaven. Nothing man can do can change his fate. Sincere faith and all the good works in the world will not save the man who's been predestined by God to be one of the "pots" for common use, who will be cast aside. Likewise, nothing man does can prevent himself from being saved, for he was created a "noble" pot, and his fate was sealed long before, at the time of creation!

Why did God deliberately make flawed men whom he would cast aside, while making "noble" ones who would enter heaven, no matter what they did? Well, according to Paul, God does this for the same reason he made the Pharaoh flawed: so that God could rain plagues down on him to show off for the people his great power. For that same reason, Paul said, God makes men flawed who will not be saved, no matter what might be their "desire or effort," all for the purpose of having an excuse to cast them into the pits of hell to show off to the people how powerful he is.

What a preposterous, childish notion Paul had about his god! Why should a being who is infinitely powerful have to put on a display of his powers? If he wanted mankind to behave in a certain way, why could he not have just made it happen with his infinite powers? If putting fear of God into the minds of mankind really were the intention of this god, why could not this infinitely powerful being have just embedded into the DNA of all humans at conception an innate and instinctive awareness of the great power of God, and an instinctive understanding of God's messages? The all-powerful god described in the Bible would have had the power to do that, wouldn't he?

Thus, Luke contradicts Mark, and Paul contradicts both Mark and Luke, with a ridiculous teaching about God's need to display his power. Mark and Luke teach that man can be saved by faith, baptism (Mark), or by obeying the commandments and giving up wealth (Luke). In other words, Mark and Luke teach that man's desire and efforts could lead them to salvation, but Paul says that man's fate was sealed at the time of creation, and that their salvation does NOT depend on "man's desire or effort."

[regnauld]

Summary


The fact that these three authors so blatantly contradict each other in the matter of salvation shows clearly that they could not have been recording the message of an all-powerful, all-knowing god, for such a god obviously would have had the power to prevent the writers from presenting to two millennia of Bible readers such a muddled, contradictory message.

If we cannot trust that the teachings of Mark, Luke, and Paul, come from God, why should anyone believe ANY part of the Bible comes from God?

There will apologists who argue, of course, that mere mortals cannot know the mind of God, so when the mortal man sees what he thinks are contradictory teachings in the Bible, it is only because his mind is finite and incapable of reasoning on the level of the infinitely wise god. This is the type of apologetic argument that could be used to justify absolutely ANY religious teaching whatsoever, no matter how preposterous it may seem, for the apologist will always be able to escape criticism by alleging that his god's ways are not for us to understand. Only when we get to heaven will it all be explained to us, they would argue.

[Pein]

The Bible's description of God's plan for salvation is not at all simple. In fact, different Bible writers have totally contradictory views on the method of "salvation." you are the best BIBLE SCHOLAR so far!!!

kumpormi na sa sitwasyon bro. ang imong giingon "do not accept", meaning kahibaw sila sa pagtulun an ni Cristo, gi reject lang. kung ikaw imong i reject ang pagtulun an ni Cristo, naa nakay knowledge sa pagtulun an ni Cristo, aw dili ka maluwas oi...in fact kung ang imong gi reject si Cristo ang imong gi reject ang Amahan sa langit.

Joh 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

baliha na nga verse...

Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

pero kung kintahay wala jud kay alamag, naa ka sa remote areas nga wala jud ka nakabalita aning Cristo, wala ka nakabalita sa iyang mga pulong, pero nagbuhat ka ug maayo, aw dako kag chance maluwas...

kumpormi na sa sitwasyon bro....

[flying fish]

kanang imong giingon nga 70x70 kay "sala mana sa imong igsuon or vice versa"...

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

ang kadtong giingon nga magdinumtanon ang Ginoo kay mura mag ang imong gi mean ana kadtong mga tawo nga adto simba sa mga dios dios...

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

kung ang sala gani, sala ra sa manag igsuunay, sugo ni Cristo magpinasayluay...

pero kung ang sala gani didto na jud ka nakasala sa Ginoo, aw lain napud na bro...

ah ok, so maka accept ra ang ginoo kung sala sa atong isisg katawo, say for ex. nangabit ko, nangawat or nipatay, mapasaylo pana,, pero kung dili nako matagad ang ginoo tungod kay for example sun worshipper ko or atheist ko iya kung domtan pien? unya for god sake ngano madamay man intawn ang akong kaliwat ana pien?

[Pein]

@regnauld,

walay contradiction anang imong giingon bro...naa ra sa utok nimo ang contradiction...

[regnauld]

@regnauld,

walay contradiction anang imong giingon bro...naa ra sa utok nimo ang contradiction...

Analyza kuno MR. BIBLE SCHOLAR!!!


The proof that the Bible writers contradict themselves on the matter of salvation is given below.

Mark
Luke
Paul
Believe in Jesus and Be Baptized




-----------------------------

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will condemned."
(Mark 16:16)


Obey Commandments and Give All Money to the Poor


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The man asked him, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?"

You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother…Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
(Luke 18:18-22)

Nothing you do will change your fate. God deliberately made men who would not be saved, no matter what they did
--------------------------------
He chose us …before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight… he predestined us
(Ephesians 1:4-6)

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
(Romans 9:13-21)

[Pein]

ah ok, so maka accept ra ang ginoo kung sala sa atong isisg katawo, say for ex. nangabit ko, nangawat or nipatay, mapasaylo pana,, pero kung dili nako matagad ang ginoo tungod kay for example sun worshipper ko or atheist ko iya kung domtan pien? unya for god sake ngano madamay man intawn ang akong kaliwat ana pien?

bro, kadtong giingon sa Mat 18:21, imong igsuon to bro, meaning, brethren in faith. atong balikon ang verse ha:

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

imo nang brother in faith bro dili na bisan kinsa ra...

kung usa ka ka Cristiano, dili man siguro ka mubuhat anang imong giingon nga mangabit, mangawat, mupatay, etc...kung makasala man gani ka sa imong isig ka igsuon ra, aw ginagmay rana bro oi...dili nana kadtong dagko kaayo...

madamay ang imong kaliwat kung musunod sila nimo sa pagkadautan...

Pro 20:7 The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.

pero kung kintahay ikaw ra ang dautan, unya ang imong anak, ang anak sa imong anak, dili musunod sa imong lakang, aw dili sila madamay. pero kung kintahay ang imong anak, ang anak sa imong anak, so on and so forth, musunod nimo, aw madamay jud...

[flying fish]

pien pastilan sad anang nga klase sa pagdomot sa ginoo na hangtud man gyud sa 4rth generation, unya curios lang ko was there a time pien that you say to yourself: dili siguro ni literal sa kay all loving gud ang ginoo, or you take it verbatim gyud? wala gud diay pasumbingay diha sa bible pien?

[Pein]

@regnauld,

hinay hinaya daw ang imong giingon nga contradiction bro...ayaw pag tinag as kapoy kaayo basa...