Do you believe in Reincarnation?

[regnauld]

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science has nothing to do with this. that is why early scientists don't believe in God since God and souls can't be explain in science.

maybe I'm not the blind here. you were blinded by your thoughts of combining science and souls. have you ever consider that thought?

You mean to say Dr. Stevenson was not a scientist? Think again. Was Dr. Stevenson explaining about GOD and Soul? He was merely investigating if reincarnation was true or not. I think you have to use your CRITICAL THINKING!

So, you mean to say that we don't use science at all because FAITH is enough? Think again. LOGIC is defined as the SCIENCE of correct thinking or reasoning. Are you not using your LOGICAL REASONING when you are using your FAITH? Even St. Thomas Aquinas, The Great Doctor of the church said that FAITH and REASON are enough to solve the EXISTENCE of GOD!

You don't even have a background in religious studies. So, who am I to believe? You or Dr. Ian Stevenson or Origen or Pope Vigilius? I think Dr. Stevenson, Origen and Pope Vigilius are telling the TRUTH!!!

And by the way, can you give me your sources to DISPOROVE REINCARNATION? Can you cite a historical fact that reincarnation was not taught by the early christians?

[Gray_Fox]

im not saying Dr. Stevenson is not a scientist. you're missing my point.

[regnauld]

im not saying Dr. Stevenson is not a scientist. you're missing my point.

And why did you say giuto2 ra mo ni Dr. Stevenson? Were YOU joking when you said that? If Dr. Ian Stevenson were only here he would have slapped you my friend! That's why be careful of your words here because people are not stupid all the time.

[Alel]

As someone who believes that the spiritual world is all fictional, I dont believe in reincarnation.

[regnauld]

As someone who believes that the spiritual world is all fictional, I dont believe in reincarnation.

I respect your belief bro. What are your sources bro that the spiritual world is all fictional? Care to share?

[Gray_Fox]

And why did you say giuto2 ra mo ni Dr. Stevenson? Were YOU joking when you said that? If Dr. Ian Steven were only here he would have slapped you my friend! That's why be careful of your words here because people are not stupid all the time.

he can rot in jail after slapping me for all i care. Im not convince by his facts. how can you tell that those guinea pigs of his are telling the truth. he probably paid them just to act like they know their "previous lives". LOL.

[regnauld]

he can rot in jail after slapping me for all i care. Im not convince by his facts. how can you tell that those guinea pigs of his are telling the truth. he probably paid them just to act like they know their "previous lives". LOL.

ok you don't believe in science. Now tha'ts official! You are not convinced of the 3000 documented case studies? By the way did you graduate in college? I would assume you had a subject called RESEARCH. Am I right? Well, for your info. when you make a research, it has to be tested several times and 3000 cases or studies are more than enough to support and back up your assumption or hypothesis if it's true or not. Paid them? What made you say that? Dr. Stevenson was even a skeptic before he made a research on reincarnation and you say he paid them? That's ridiculous!

By the way for your info. they are not guinea pigs. They are humans like you without any agenda or political motivation because they are children, most of them. If you are still doubtful, why not make an indpendent research of yours to DISPROVE the SCIENTIFIC PROOF of REINCARNATION! Nganong ma jealous ug masuko man ka ni Dr. Ian Stevenson? Why are you so defensive my friend?

By the way did you know that POPE VIGILIUS was arresred because he supported the early teaching of ORIGEN about REINCARNATION? Now this is HISTORY my friend!

[Alel]

I respect your belief bro. What are your sources bro that the spiritual world is all fictional? Care to share?

Thanks

Why I believe the spiritual world is all fictional:

I simply believe and admire the fact that the mind is such a powerful 'all-around' machine.

'Spirit' is such a dodgy word in the first place. You will realize that the the term 'spirit' holds a lot of definitions that differs from person to person. Shall I say, 'spirit' is merely a concept. Kind of a symbol.

Language is an 'insufficient' metaphor of reality.

That is why I dont dispose the thoughts about spirits in its entritey.

Ex. The notion that "One's soul goes to heaven if one remains good." is merely a symbolic way of saying: Only in doing what you think is good brings you peace of mind.

Maybe the term 'fictional' isnt not appropriate enough a term to use. I apologize for using it. Maybe the term 'symbolic' expresses my thoughts more. It would only turn fictional if a person treats these symbolisms as hard facts. (Like believing that the souls of our dear departed still roams around to do their 'unfinished business'...Though believing in this notion could push the bereaved family to finish the business on their own. Most likely than not, they are the one that benefits from it. Hence, the notion does holds a rather odd form of realism...)

I can't possibly post a sufficient amount of my thoughts regarding my subject here. Maybe I'll just start another thread about it someday.

If you could Bro, try to find a copy of the the book, The Law of Psychic Phenomena by Hudson(not sure sa author...)...You could start from there. Since the book is published probably a century or so ago, so I recommend you also look into newer books, but only AFTER you read the Hudson book. Why? Because the title is a little bit misleading from the gist of the book. And no, it aint about 'parapychology'. I guess the book was published way before parapsychology was founded.)

I learned that faith is such a fascinating thing - that it is not that "God makes the difference", its more like "The faith in a god is what makes the difference, not the god you believe in itself."...So, as far as faith is concerned, it does not matter whether your god is existing or not, as long as you believe, you can benefit from it.

"Whether you think you are able to do a thing or not, you are always right."

Ex: If you believe you could never muster the guts to eat balot, you are right (as far as you are concerned). But if someone persuasive enough talks you out your belief, you will find that you COULD eat balot - only once you believe that you could.

As a rough example: After I could establish my credibility as a healer, I could cure a person's hiccups and alleviate pain just using pure bullcrap techniques. The nature of such 'ailments' are so so subjective, that it does not really matter whether I am 'casting my healing aura to heal you (which is pure BS)', as long as you believe in whatever I claim, as long as you believe that I can make your hiccups dissapear - its gone. That is why it is called faith-healing. (Which also means, that not all ailments can be cured through faith-healing. Cancer for example, is far from subjective in nature. )

Such is the power of the human mind.

Bottom-line is: The spiritual world is simply symbolic. It only hinges on a person's belief in it( belief that it exists)

[regnauld]

Thanks

Why I believe the spiritual world is all fictional:

I simply believe and admire the fact that the mind is such a powerful 'all-around' machine.

'Spirit' is such a dodgy word in the first place. You will realize that the the term 'spirit' holds a lot of definitions that differs from person to person. Shall I say, 'spirit' is merely a concept. Kind of a symbol.

Language is an 'insufficient' metaphor of reality.

That is why I dont dispose the thoughts about spirits in its entritey.

Ex. The notion that "One's soul goes to heaven if one remains good." is merely a symbolic way of saying: Only in doing what you think is good brings you peace of mind.

Maybe the term 'fictional' isnt not appropriate enough a term to use. I apologize for using it. Maybe the term 'symbolic' expresses my thoughts more. It would only turn fictional if a person treats these symbolisms as hard facts. (Like believing that the souls of our dear departed still roams around to do their 'unfinished business'...Though believing in this notion could push the bereaved family to finish the business on their own. Most likely than not, they are the one that benefits from it. Hence, the notion does holds a rather odd form of realism...)

I can't possibly post a sufficient amount of my thoughts regarding my subject here. Maybe I'll just start another thread about it someday.

If you could Bro, try to find a copy of the the book, The Law of Psychic Phenomena by Hudson(not sure sa author...)...You could start from there. Since the book is published probably a century or so ago, so I recommend you also look into newer books, but only AFTER you read the Hudson book. Why? Because the title is a little bit misleading from the gist of the book. And no, it aint about 'parapychology'. I guess the book was published way before parapsychology was founded.)

I learned that faith is such a fascinating thing - that it is not that "God makes the difference", its more like "The faith in a god is what makes the difference, not the god you believe in itself."...So, as far as faith is concerned, it does not matter whether your god is existing or not.

As a rough example: After I could establish my credibility as a healer, I could cure a person's hiccups and alleviate pain just using pure bullcrap techniques. The nature of such 'ailments' are so so subjective, that it does not really matter whether I am 'casting my healing aura to heal you (which is pure BS)', as long as you believe in whatever I claim, as long as you believe that I can make your hiccups dissapear - its gone. That is why it is called faith-healing. (Which also means, that not all ailments can be cured through faith-healing. Cancer for example, is far from subjective in nature. )


Such is the power of the human mind.

I understand what you are trying to convey because I'm a Psyc Teacher and I do believe that the MIND is very powerful indeed. You might even want to read the book "The Power of Your Subconscious Mind" by: Dr. Joseph Murphy. Even in the bible, Jesus was talking about the powers of our mind. The MIND is ONE because the origin is the UNIVERSAL MIND. Everything in the universe is consciousness. Energy is consciousness and we know that Energy can never be created nor be destroyed. The MIND is creative. I love to share with you my books someday about New Thought Movement. It's really AMAZING to know the essence of our minds. I beleive that the LAW of MIND is the LAW of BELIEF! Jesus The Christ has demonstrated that!

Peace!

[Alel]

I understand what you are trying to convey because I'm a Psyc Teacher and I do believe that the MIND is very powerful indeed. You might even read the book "The Power of Your Subconscious Mind" by: Dr. Murphy. Even in the bible, Jesus was talking about the powers of our mind. The MIND is ONE because the origin is the UNIVERSAL MIND. Everything in the universe is consciousness. Energy is consciousness and we know that Energy can never be created nor be destroyed. The MIND is creative. I love to share with you my books someday about New Thought Movement. It's really AMAZING to know the essence of our minds. I beleive that the LAW of MIND is the LAW of BELIEF! Jesus The Christ has demonstrated that!

Peace!

Its nice to know Im not alone.

Ill try to look for the book you mentioned.

OT: Where ka ga-teach Bro? By the way, maybe Ill drop by next Saturday.