RELIGION....(part 2)

[tolstoi]

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It is really hard to argue about the existence of God.

It is like two dogs arguing each other if a color red existed or not, since both cannot see red color(according to some articles I've read). While the other dog will only believe if it sees the red color, the other dog is looking for evidence that the color red really existed, unfortunately for the second dog, it cannot present concrete evidence for the first dog to see. In the end, the only thing left for the dogs were to respect each other's beliefs and no dogfight occured. hehehehe.

arf arf ..but only if these two dogs can comprehend that the things around them including themselves and the rest of the universe were not really created out of nothing or merely puffs for no reason at all, then for sure in there hearts they could tell that there is really a CREATOR..the GREATEST DESIGNER of all things..and that is GOD!

[mannyamador]

Peter was already in Rome between AD60 and AD70

Hmm... really?

Yes, really. if you don't know that, then you are truly ignorant of history!

Faith alone isn't necessarily incorrect... because faith has to be shown in what you do 1 it is NOT of our own doing that we are saved, so that no one can boast 2, but we are saved TO DO GOOD WORKS 3
1. James 2: 18
2. Eph. 2: 8, 9
3. Eph. 2: 10

Not incorrect?. You contradict yourself. If faith HAS to be shown in what we do, then Faith ALONE saves no one. Works are therefore NECESSARY.

This is made very clear in James 2:14-26 (emphasis added)

14 "What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities 
  of the body, what good is it?
17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, 
  and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
19 You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
20 Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as 
  righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."
24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25 And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the 
  messengers and sent them out by a different route?
26 For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

[Lawrencenc]

2 all freakin' Catholics u worship God right? and u obey his commandments? if yes, then why do u make other false gods? that's blasphemy!!! you blasphemist catholics you even praise & worship the freakin' virgin mary which also known as "God's Concubine!!!" you even listen 2 a freakin priest which most of them are unclean faggots!!! u even have festivals called "Sinulog"
in which u praise that freakin small doll of urs!!! who wears some red cape like some kind of Wanna be Superman Reject!!! You've been blinded by the truth by keep on making ur religion as an opium! I pity u all! what a shame! damn u damn u 2 hell!

[bcasabee]

Me, I'm a Catholic. And I'm not ashame just like you are not ashamed of being an atheist.

Btw, do you believe that there is hell?

[silent-kill]

atheist dont believe in spirit, god , satan heaven and hell

[mannyamador]

2 all freakin' Catholics u worship God right? and u obey his commandments? if yes, then why do u make other false gods?

We don't. Why don't you try THINKING first before shooting your mouth off?

you even praise & worship the freakin' virgin mary

Wrong again. We don't.

Before you attack another religion, you should first have the decency to undertsand what it teaches. if you don't then you are judging something you don't even understand.

The word for that kind of stupidity is PREJUDICE.

And prejudice can be a very grave sin.

[tingkagol]

2 all freakin' Catholics u worship God right? and u obey his commandments? if yes, then why do u make other false gods? that's blasphemy!!! you blasphemist catholics you even praise & worship the freakin' virgin mary which also known as "God's Concubine!!!" you even listen 2 a freakin priest which most of them are unclean faggots!!! u even have festivals called "Sinulog"
in which u praise that freakin small doll of urs!!! who wears some red cape like some kind of Wanna be Superman Reject!!! You've been blinded by the truth by keep on making ur religion as an opium! I pity u all! what a shame! damn u damn u 2 hell!

umm... why's this guy allowed to open his mouth in this forum anyways? This thread has become nothing more than a competition. 1... 2... 3... egotrip!

[Cardinal Bunal]

24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Yes... but he was speaking in the context of "faith as belief"....... because even the demons believe and they tremble.

But if you try to examine what REAL FAITH is that NOT only includes good fruits in the form of repentance and deeds, but also holiness and fidelity. In other words, NOT "belief alone".

[h00ters]

organized religion is bullcrap!

[mannyamador]

24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Yes... but he was speaking in the context of "faith as belief"....... because even the demons believe and they tremble.
But if you try to examine what REAL FAITH is that NOT only includes good fruits in the form of repentance and deeds, but also holiness and fidelity. In other words, NOT "belief alone".

So now you're redefining the terms to suit your personal misinterpretations. Sorry, but that doesn't work.

The bottomline: WORKS are necessary for salvation, which is what the Catholic Church teaches. Whether you include them in your "expanded" notion of faith is irrelevant.