RELIGION....(part 2)

[mannyamador]

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Pure and blameless religion, therefore that God the Father accepts is this, looking out after widows and orphans in their distress and keeping oneself free from the corruption of this world

In other words, faith ALONE does not save. Be careful, you're talking like a (gasp!) Catholic! Hehe

[mannyamador]

Well, it's a well-known fact that the RCC doesn't think as highly of scripture as other "epistles" written by the "church fathers" and other material penned by other scribes...

Wrong again. Apparently, you're "well-known facts" are only well-known to YOU!

It's NOT even in world history that the Roman church has already existed and carried on it's division of power as early as 1st and 2nd century A.D.

You're quite ignorant of history. Peter was already in Rome between AD60 and AD70. The Church there was already established. Constantine NEVER established the Catholic Church. Jesus did.

Now if you're referring to the term "Roman Catholic", you won't find it until around 1500 years later because it was coined by the ANGLICANS to differentiate the True Catholic Church from their own (the Anglicans claimed to be the true catholics).

Read some more history without your twisted religious blinders.

[bcasabee]

I'm sorry, it should be my burden to clarify what I had just written. How about this analogy.

Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Athiest = basketball, badminton, football, person without sports = religion
chapel/temple/mosque = basketball court/badminton court/foot ball field
RCC/Iglesia ni christo/Dating Daan/etc.... = PBA/../FIFA

You might ask where is God in the analogy? Well, if you are a Christian, you believe something about Christ, if your a hindu or buddhist you believe in something else, whle if you are an athiest you believe that there is no God.

Hehehe. I hope you understand what I mean. My point is, religion is inherent to everyone.

sigi para di ka mag libog..

invertor of badminton = god
badminton = religion
badminton club = catholics/ protestant muslim
badminton court = musque/ simbahan chapel ... etc..

you cant put "god" out of the picture when talking something like this ... mao lang na ako.. kai tongod sa ginoo mao naai religion...

Believing means you have accepted something which is true. I believe in God because I accepted that it is true that he existed.

For me, believing in God is actually more practical than not believing in him.

If I die believing in him and he really existed and he accepts me in his Kingdom, then that would be good.
If I die believing in him but in the end, he really doesn't exists, then it is still good.
If I die not believing in him and in the end, he really existed, then it is bad.

It would be nice to argue about the truth though and I wonder what color and shape it is really taking.

hehehe.. this is not "believing"... its more like your taking the safest way.. just for the sake of it... more like hitching a ride to heaven ehehehe..

[bcasabee]

Whatever you call it. But, is it bad to be in the safest way? If it isn't then I recommend that everyone take it.

Believing means you have accepted something which is true. I believe in God because I accepted that it is true that he existed.

For me, believing in God is actually more practical than not believing in him.

If I die believing in him and he really existed and he accepts me in his Kingdom, then that would be good.
If I die believing in him but in the end, he really doesn't exists, then it is still good.
If I die not believing in him and in the end, he really existed, then it is bad.

It would be nice to argue about the truth though and I wonder what color and shape it is really taking.

hehehe.. this is not "believing"... its more like your taking the safest way.. just for the sake of it... more like hitching a ride to heaven ehehehe..

[Cardinal Bunal]

Peter was already in Rome between AD60 and AD70

Hmm... really?

Faith alone isn't necessarily incorrect... because faith has to be shown in what you do 1 it is NOT of our own doing that we are saved, so that no one can boast 2, but we are saved TO DO GOOD WORKS 3

1. James 2: 18
2. Eph. 2: 8, 9
3. Eph. 2: 10

[silent-kill]

Whatever you call it. But, is it bad to be in the safest way? If it isn't then I recommend that everyone take it.

Believing means you have accepted something which is true. I believe in God because I accepted that it is true that he existed.

For me, believing in God is actually more practical than not believing in him.

If I die believing in him and he really existed and he accepts me in his Kingdom, then that would be good.
If I die believing in him but in the end, he really doesn't exists, then it is still good.
If I die not believing in him and in the end, he really existed, then it is bad.

It would be nice to argue about the truth though and I wonder what color and shape it is really taking.

hehehe.. this is not "believing"... its more like your taking the safest way.. just for the sake of it... more like hitching a ride to heaven ehehehe..

you believe god only so you can be save?.. this only implies that you really dont care if he does exist or made something relevant to your life... you just want to get there in whatever ways possible.. you are missing the whole point of "believing/faith"... its not about who gets saved and who gets to suffer.. its not about the reward for believing the existence of god.. and the suffering for not believing.. its not about going to heaven and going to hell... its about to be ONE with your creator.. its about being complete... its about your final transformation...

mao lang na akong pag too..

[bcasabee]

Basically yes. Is it bad? Anyway, I am only pointing about the practicality of believing. I acknowledge your idea of being one with God cause I believe besides being save, one can attain a state perfect happiness.

you believe god only so you can be save?.. this only implies that you really dont care if he does exist or made something relevant to your life... you just want to get there in whatever ways possible.. you are missing the whole point of "believing/faith"... its not about who gets saved and who gets to suffer.. its not about the reward for believing the existence of god.. and the suffering for not believing.. its not about going to heaven and going to hell... its about to be ONE with your creator.. its about being complete... its about your final transformation...

[silent-kill]

ambot nimo.. tungod kai lahi man ta og pag-tanaw sa kinabuhi... tanaw lang nako di sakto.. kong mao na imong main reason for believing..

[Onins]

Have you tried confessing your sins to a priest or pastor ever since? If not, just try for experience sake. Nothing teaches better than experience.

In my opinion, confessing your sins to a fellow who can be a worst sinner than you can be pleasing to God because it is like a litmus test that you are humble enough. If you are humble, then you must be sincere.

Imagine if God is really physically present who sits in a very grand throne having a good time with his angels and saints around. Do you think an insignificant person like us will have the guts to come forward by ourselves and say, excuse me my Lord, I have come to ask forgiveness for my sins, could you spare 5 minutes of your time with me please? or would it be more polite and proper to ask somebody else who is more closer to him so that he can ask him to entertain you or better yet, negotiate in your behalf?

Another thing just wanna know, do you really think we really need a mediator ba tawag nun? like you cant confess your sins without priest? or do we have to say our prayers through the saints? who made the saints? men... prone to sin, error and all. I confess my sins directly to Him.

I have tried confessing sins with close friends who are more sinful than I am but in an informal way, sort of exchanging secrets, havent tried confessing to a priest or a pastor cause I find it unnecessary. My point maam/sir is who said we need someone to negotiate in our behalf? a representative of some sort? more closer to him? ANd our God having a good time with his angels? excuse me? so its not proper for us to directly ask for forgiveness because God is having a good time with his angels? ganun po ba ang gusto nyong sabihin? correct me pls. Only Jesus is the mediator between God and Man. Is it written in the scriptures that we need a humanly 'negotiator' to 'negotiate' for our forgiveness? You insulting God to depict him as a mortal one.

[Sovabon]

Waman guro sa Bible nga nasuwat nga si Jesus Christ was the one establishing the RC as claimed by bro Mannyamador. It was Christianity which observed the Saturday as their original rest day. The history revealed that the observance was changed to the day of Sunday in 320-325 AD by Constantine. Klaro kaayo nga sa una only Christians and the Pagans ra ang duha ka pundok. Daghan nalang ang grupo years after kay daghan man mo claim nga sila ang truly descendants and followersÂ* of Christ.