RELIGION....(part 2)

[niel_843]

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Change:
Kon ganahan ta mabag o ang Catholic church, let us begin from ourselves, our families and friends. Dili ta mag expect sa uban. Do not judge the way you see others. You never know their hearts.
Also, if we do complain what right do we have to do it? Martyrs and Saints never complain what they see but rather extended their lives to the least fortunate. This is exactly opposite to others who like to change the whole world at once rather than facing the problem accepting it and be involved in the process.

Faith:
Kon naa man gani nipahid sa rebolto sa Ginoo it is not because its a ritual (maybe for some) but its because of faith.
Do you remeber sa dihan nahikapan sa masakiton and sinina ni Jesus? These people believe that if they touch this part of the image they will be blessed. Its like kissing your mothers picture could make you cry for you believe it is her you kissed eventhough she is dead and it takes away your loneliness. Kon maglalis ta nga dili na picture or exac figure sa ginoo, again it is faith.. believing without seeing.

Partial truth:
Because of freewill, most of the Catholics became like what you just said. But I could not imagine either having our parish priest calling my name every sunday and checking the attendance sheet or dopping me on the catholic members list when I fail to pay 10% out of my income. Cant you appreciate something out of it? Probably too much freedom is not so good but that is what faith and salvation is all about. You cant force a person when it is not in his heart. Its one reason why El shaddai is there , CFC is there , SFC is there, volunteers and and missionaries are there to fill this gap.
How about you, what have you done?

[Cardinal Bunal]

All you really need to read to get you started on the truths about the RCC is THIS

[mannyamador]

All you really need to read to get you started on the truths about the RCC is this

Yeah right. From some prejudiced Catholic-basher who can't even understand the teachings of the Church. All the link contains are more WACKY PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS with no real authority to back them up. What garbage!

[Cardinal Bunal]

Yeah right. From some prejudiced Catholic-basher who can't even understand the teachings of the Church. All the link contains are more WACKY PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS with no real authority to back them up. What garbage!

We can understand the teachings of the RCC and we do and the authority is NOT of our own...

[meilyang]

O.T grabe ka tag-as sa inyong comments oyy..

pede deli mo mag base sa mga articles..kanang personal points of view bahh...

in my part.. am ROMAN CATHOLIC... gikan pagka bata hangtod karon.... ka simba napod kog lain2x nga tinoho-an.... prehas ra man sa gino-o ra man gihapon padung lain2x lang og pa agi...

so for me di na angay lalisan.... gawas lang kong na-ay mo ingon nga relihiyon nga sila ra ma langit ang uban relihiyon ma emperno.. hehehe... ma o nay dakong lalis...

usahay man gud kining pagka kuryoso sa tawo kong unsay ma basahan to-o dayon kong unsay ma dung-gan to-o pod dayon...

make it sure sa kanang mong gibasa para asa na...

kinsa ang nag suwat....
kinsa ang gi suwatan..
rason ngano gi suwat....

para ma klaro nmo ang mensahe...... basa2x ka unya deli diay to para imoha.. mura kag amaw ana.. hehehehe.Â*

dili ko katoliko monrose pero mo respetar ko ninyo ug sa inyong pari. sa amo-a man gud bai kay dili makalangit ang religion. ang pagdawat ra sa Ginoo ang makalangit para sa amo-a. ug kung mangutana ka asa ko ana. amo ng gibasi sa Bible. specifically John 3:16. mao na sya ang verse nga gi-interpret ug kadaghan sa first few pages sa kana ganing gamay na Bible nga blue? going to church is just a mere guidance to live our lives according to what is right.

[ichor_82283]

Bay chard ako i summarize ang imo mga obserbasyon. . .

1. AMPO NGA BALIK BALIK - Imo pasabot siguro kanang Our Father ug Hail Mary. Tinood balik balik na nga pag ampo. Pero mangutana sab ako. Unsa man pud imo giampo kanunay? Di ba ang imong pag ampo magbalik balik man sab parehas anang kabaskug sa lawas, kalan-on sa matag adlaw, pag dayeg sa Ginoo, pagpasalamat, pangamuyo. Imo pag ampo BALIK BALIK gihapon. Wa lang ka mogamit ug ready made nga pag ampo sama sa Our Father ug Hail Mary.

2. PAHID PAHID SA REBULTO - Para nako di man na sya gyud angay sawayun kay nag express ra man pod nang mga deboto sa ilang debosyun. Ikaw ra bitaw niingon nga ang ubang relihiyon expressive kaayo, iyag yag gyud ang gibati pinaagi sa kanata ug sa mga testimonies? Ang mga Katoliko sab nag express pod na sila sa ilang faith pinaagi anang pahid pahid . Mao nay gitawag ug reverence.

3. STICK TO THE TRADITIONS - abi nimo bay ang faith sa catholic Church gikuha gikan sa Bible ug sa mga traditions nga wala mahisulat. Sa ka karaan na kaayo sa Roman Catholic Church naka acquire na siya ug mga traditions nga part na sa pag to-o. Nothing wrong with it.

I'd like to comment on this.

First, with the repetitive prayer:

Repetitive prayer can be a prayer in real essence when it is prayed heartily and fervently. Repetitive prayers will be VAIN when done as if it's a daily litany without purpose and faith to whom the person is praying for.

Pontus ko: PRAYER IS TALKING TO GOD. Pag-repetitive na na siya and walay ka sinse-sinseridad dili na siya PRAYER. The OBJECT of prayer is not PRAYER itself bu GOD.

Grave IMages:

Di ba klaro sa libro sa Exodus na dili mag-simba sa mga rebolto, larawan ug uban pa nga gibuhat sa kamot sa tawo? Magsimbolo man ni sa bisan unsang buhi nga gikan sa yuta, dagat o hangin? Walay eksepsyon?

The object of reverence and worship is the ALMIGHTY GOD and not the "saints". I think this is where most people were confused at.

Igin sila dili na siya pagsimba, others they are worshipping this grave images...unsay tinuod? Gi-ingon sa Bibliya nga walay laing dalan (mediator) except JESUS CHRIST? John 14:6

TRADITION:

Tradition is not an integral part of religion...Only men infer that religion must have rites, practices, "traditions"...This is because of the vagueness of who or what they worship at- people result to "sensual" worshipping. They wanted to have a grasp of who or what they worship.

Tradition cannot save. It's a lie.

[mannyamador]

We can understand the teachings of the RCC and we do and the authority is NOT of our own...

You haven't displayed any of that understanding so far. Anyone who comes up with such wacky interpretations (and thinks he as the personal authority to do so given from"above") is a candidate for the looney bin.

[mannyamador]

Tradition is not an integral part of religion...Only men infer that religion must have rites, practices, "traditions"...This is because of the vagueness of who or what they worship at- people result to "sensual" worshipping. They wanted to have a grasp of who or what they worship.

I think you are using a different definition of "Tradition". The dictionary definition refers to "tradition" (small "t"). The Catholic Tradition (capital "T") refers to the teachings and authority of Christ given to the Apostles. You get to know and follow Christ through His teachings passed on to you, and that DOES save.

[Onins]

I was in CDO a couple of months ago and I was very disturbed because in the wedding ceremony the priest was talking about the wedding at Cana. I am aware that RCC has given Virgin Mary the respect and all, and I respect that. BUT sometimes there are some who are just mislead and misguided, they seem to worship Mary more than Jesus or the Father. The priest in CDO said we should thank Mary for without her, Jesus would not have done his first miracle! huh? Because according to him, if Mary did not bring Jesus at the wedding in Cana, Jesus would not have done the turning water into wine thing. Wow what a twist there. I dunno with you but i think the priest is just going too far with praising Mary.


Another thing just wanna know, do you really think we really need a mediator ba tawag nun? like you cant confess your sins without priest? or do we have to say our prayers through the saints? who made the saints? men... prone to sin, error and all. I confess my sins directly to Him.

[Cardinal Bunal]

You haven't displayed any of that understanding so far. Anyone who comes up with such wacky interpretations (and thinks he as the personal authority to do so given from"above") is a candidate for the looney bin.

I'm a Psychology major so I know what is the difference between the sane and the afflicted with mental derangement and what isn't.... perhaps there is much pomp and bombast to even doubt about the RCC being the one true mystical body?

Since Dacs isn't here perhaps either Mr. Amador or HoundedbyHeaven can enlighten us on this doctrinal by the RCC....

it isn't esoteric but it's a very profound inference - where if someone murders or commits an act that supposedly repays "evil for evil" he is excused iof his sin f he has done so with uncontrolled fury - that can be tantamount to insanity because he wasn't in his conscious self? I spoke to a seminarian, who for some reason was also carrying a copy of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

But then again there is little gain in dwelling on these concepts since there is no assurance of salvation even for those who are inside and fully active and in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.