Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

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there's no purgatory. never has been, never will be.

[r3roble]

logic lng... unsay gamit sa judgment kung ma purify lng ghapon... kaluoy ba diay ni satanas kapoy2x lng ug tintal pero, wla diay ma iyaha...

i think it's God's purpose why he made us so that we will be with him when that day comes...

so ing-ana kakapoy ang panintal ni satanas... gamay ra jud maiya...

[necrotic freak]

Did Jesus take all our sins upon Himself when He died on the cross? It is true that Jesus died for
our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3). It is also true that Jesus bore our sins in His body on the cross so
we might die to sin and live to righteousness (1 Peter 2:24). When we read these verses without
the benefit of an Old Testament understanding of what is being addressed, it certainly does
appear that Jesus bore all our sins on the cross. This would make him a scapegoat; a substitute
for us and our sinfulness.

There are absolutely no biblical texts which when read in proper context portray Jesus as a
scapegoat or state that He supplied total satisfaction for our sins. We are required to become
living sacrifices (Romans 12:1); to join our sacrifice with that of Jesus the Christ which is being
offered perpetually in heaven. Jesus’ death on the cross accomplished our redemption and made
our salvation possible, it opened heaven for us; a heaven which had essentially been closed to
mankind since the sin of Adam and Eve.

Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross has accomplished our redemption (Matthew 20:2. No longer are
souls trapped for eternity in the bosom of Abraham (sheol / hades / purgatory). No longer is an
animal sacrifice necessary to consecrate the altar. He paid the price so we may one day enter the
Kingdom of Heaven. This does not mean however that there is no need for us to recognize our
individual sins and make restitution for them. Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross (and re-presentation on
our behalf in heaven) does not free us of our responsibility for repentance but instills within us His
own spirit of sorrow and hope. God demands repentance and atonement from all sinners. Sins
are not ‘covered’ by Jesus’ blood and thus made invisible to God. Martin Luther compared saved
mankind to dung heaps covered with the snow of Christ; but Jesus had another name for those
who were pretty on the outside but rotten inside, he called them “whitewashed tombs.” Jesus did
not tell the paralytic man that his sins were covered, He said “Your sins are forgiven.” In fact,
Jesus’ ministry can be summed up as one which taught and forgave sins. Forgiveness washes
the sins away so that no stain remains. Nothing unclean will enter the Kingdom of Heaven
(Revelation 21:27). But how does one obtain forgiveness for sins since Jesus no longer walks this
earth forgiving sins and Hebrews 10:11-13 tells us that the Old Testament sacrifices for sins were
ineffective and Jesus’ one sacrifice perfected forever those who are being made holy? The
answer can be found in Romans 12:1: We are to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice, holy,
acceptable to God. Jesus sacrifice did away with the requirement for an annual day of atonement
and also for our individual requirement to publicly offer an animal sacrifice throughout the year
whenever we had sinned. Instead, we are to offer ourselves in an unblemished state. How do we,
sinners that we are, become unblemished? On the first Easter Sunday, three days after His
sacrifice on the cross, Jesus appeared to His apostles and gave them the power to forgive or
retain sins; just as He had done throughout His earthly ministry (John 20:23). Forgiveness
removes the stain. Since the apostles were not going to live forever, in order for this commission
by Jesus to remain effective (Jesus never did anything in an interim manner) the successors of
the apostles and those they appointed to represent them continue this practice.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

purgatory, heaven, and hell are here on earth. 3-in-1 ta diri. ('c',)

[donrey]

clearly? tsur ka? beh unsa man kuno nga verse...

nya pila puy bayad para mahaw as imong kalag sa purgatoryo? diba naa may ordinary ug special?

mao hehehehe,pila man bayad pra malangit?

[ashcries]

no word Purgatory in the scripture but there is a place of purification in the scripture, so the church decided to name that particular place that fits to its purpose "Purgatory"...

2 maccabees 12:43-46 <<---- not in your scripture i guess...

2 maccabees 12:43-46 <<---- not in your scripture i guess...

wala gyud ni sa akong Bible...

only the Roman Catholic Church uses this translated version of the Bible (Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)) which includes the Deuterocanonical books or the apocryphal books):


+Tobit
+Judith
+Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24[7])
+Wisdom
+Sirach, also called Ben Sira or Ecclesiasticus
+Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint[8])
+Additions to Daniel:
+Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
+Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue)
+The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue)
+1 Maccabees
+2 Maccabees

This is the reason why Roman Catholics will never change their view on the existence of a "place of purification" because they have Biblical text to support their belief.
And the Douay-Rheims Bible is the only version of the Bible which is (authorized) by the Vatican to be used by Roman Catholics.


But for a Protestant like me, there are only 66 books in the Bible.
Therefore, there is no purgatory. Heaven and Hell lang. Once you're done in this world, it's either this or that. You'll have your second, third and pila pa kabuok nga chances to reorder you life while you are still on Earth so stop wasting time. We only have one life to live in this temporary place called Earth. The next one is an eternal life in Heaven. Hell is eternal death. God bless.

[Merman]

way purgatoryo

[necrotic freak]

2 maccabees 12:43-46 <<---- not in your scripture i guess...

wala gyud ni sa akong Bible...

only the Roman Catholic Church uses this translated version of the Bible (Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)) which includes the Deuterocanonical books or the apocryphal books):


+Tobit
+Judith
+Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24[7])
+Wisdom
+Sirach, also called Ben Sira or Ecclesiasticus
+Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint[8])
+Additions to Daniel:
+Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
+Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue)
+The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue)
+1 Maccabees
+2 Maccabees

This is the reason why Roman Catholics will never change their view on the existence of a "place of purification" because they have Biblical text to support their belief.
And the Douay-Rheims Bible is the only version of the Bible which is (authorized) by the Vatican to be used by Roman Catholics.


But for a Protestant like me, there are only 66 books in the Bible.
Therefore, there is no purgatory. Heaven and Hell lang. Once you're done in this world, it's either this or that. You'll have your second, third and pila pa kabuok nga chances to reorder you life while you are still on Earth so stop wasting time. We only have one life to live in this temporary place called Earth. The next one is an eternal life in Heaven. Hell is eternal death. God bless.

...and are you really really sure you will be in heaven? without going to purification? NOTHING UNCLEAN SHALL ENTER THE KINDOM OF GOD.

[ieaiaio]

inimbinto ra nang purgaturio

[dartzed]

2 maccabees 12:43-46 <<---- not in your scripture i guess...

wala gyud ni sa akong Bible...

only the Roman Catholic Church uses this translated version of the Bible (Douay-Rheims Bible (Challoner Revision)) which includes the Deuterocanonical books or the apocryphal books):


+Tobit
+Judith
+Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24[7])
+Wisdom
+Sirach, also called Ben Sira or Ecclesiasticus
+Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint[8])
+Additions to Daniel:
+Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
+Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue)
+The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue)
+1 Maccabees
+2 Maccabees

This is the reason why Roman Catholics will never change their view on the existence of a "place of purification" because they have Biblical text to support their belief.
And the Douay-Rheims Bible is the only version of the Bible which is (authorized) by the Vatican to be used by Roman Catholics.


But for a Protestant like me, there are only 66 books in the Bible.
Therefore, there is no purgatory. Heaven and Hell lang. Once you're done in this world, it's either this or that. You'll have your second, third and pila pa kabuok nga chances to reorder you life while you are still on Earth so stop wasting time. We only have one life to live in this temporary place called Earth. The next one is an eternal life in Heaven. Hell is eternal death. God bless.

like i said 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice.

RC studied all the books apil na ang 7 ka books naadd(still naa pay gistudyhan until now limot ko pila pa kabuok) kamo unsa d i inyo giusab sa inyo bible?.. i bet wala ka kbaw sa orig nga translation..

oh yeah who authorized you guys to translate the bible by the ways?..

a place of purification is found in other chapter in the bible even without 2 maccabees, the term purgatory was then decided to be named after the study of 2 maccabees that testifies greatly that existing ang place not really purgatory is the name.