Cebu Velez College student killed in clash between Army and rebels

[dimasaliw]

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di man gud mo surrender ang AFP ug GOBIERNO mao na nga ang NPA ug mga militante tahay d sad mo hunong ug SYAGIT ug pag padayon sa ilang mga PROPAGANDA bisan gud ang uban gud nilang kauban tuho wa kasabot sa ila gyud tumong ug unsa gyud.ha!ha!ha!. peace!!!!!apil man gud ko sa una sa ako kabatan.on pa nga na lingla.

ay sus no prblem with me. im just enjoying the discussion and the exchange of ideas. this is the purpose of the forum right? its not about propagating. its not about publicity etc. its saying what i think is right. if dili dawaton ang akong point of view. can't do nothin' about it.

hmmmm. tama it takes deep understanding and lengthy na pagstudy sa situation in order for us to understand and know whats going on.

[rob123]

ay sus no prblem with me. im just enjoying the discussion and the exchange of ideas. this is the purpose of the forum right? its not about propagating. its not about publicity etc. its saying what i think is right. if dili dawaton ang akong point of view. can't do nothin' about it.

hmmmm. tama it takes deep understanding and lengthy na pagstudy sa situation in order for us to understand and know whats going on.

sakto bitaw nang emo bro..nga kining ato dire nga pag storya2x pa hungaw ra gud na sa ato nga mga huna2x sa ato gi tuhoan nga maoy husto.Mao na ang naka nindot sa Democrasya kay pwede ta mo sulti kon unsa ang naa sa ato huna2x. Daghan pa jud nga mga avenues nga pwede nato ma kab.ot ang reforma nga ato g tinguha sa diplomasya nga pa maagi dili na karon gi kinhanglan ang armado nga pakig bisog. lahi na sa panahon niadtong Martial Law pa. Hinaut unta nga kanang emo g engon nga deep understanding and lengthy na pagstudy, mo resulta kana sa pagka amgo sa uban nga mga kauban nga diay kon gusto jud kita ug kausaban ug kalamboan sa ato pinangga nga nasud nga PILIPINAS ato kini makab.ot sa malinawon nga paagi, dili kinahanglan nga ato pa ibuhis ang kinabuhi sa mga batan.on, kay sila ra ba ang ato pag laum sa umaabot pa. Dili man gud sad pwede nga kon unsa ato huna2x nga husto ato ipa mugos kay lahi2x man lage ta ug pan lantaw sa situwasyon.parehas gud dire karon sa ato panag storya2x daghan pud mga storyans nga lahi ug pan lantaw. ato lang gud sad dawaton ug respetohan sama sa ela pag respeto sa inyo.dili nato ika sakit ug dili nato himoon nga rason aron mosaka ta sa bukid. Ug wa gud ta kalinaw di jud ma kab.ot ang ato g pangandoy nga kalamboan ug ka uswagan sa ato nasud. kinsa man ang investor nga ganahan mo invest kon wa peace and order sa usa ka nasud.hinaut nakuha nimo ug sa uban makabasa ani ako buot pasabot. sori nag sulti lang sad ko sa ako huna2x kon d dawaton wa sad ko mahimo. binisaya lang ko kay saon bisaya man lage ko nga dako. mao lang usa na kay henay ra ba ko mo type...ha!ha!ha!....

[ronaYo]

(1) "first of all the AFP are paid to kill, hunt, taunt civilians." ---an appeal to fear, an appeal to prejudice, a glittering generality, demonizing.

(2) "i know because of the human rights violations of Palparan has done in southern luzon, central luzon, eastern visayas and northern luzon" ---a red herring to statement #1

(3) "the AFP employs tactics way beyond your wildest imagination."---an oversimplification, intentional vagueness

(4) "high regards to those who take up arms. it is their right to seek the truth. it is their right to go against the flow of the stream. it is their right to express their rigths or to get back their rights by fighting back."--- flag-waving, using virtue words

***this statement is rebellious, a blatant approval and appeal to a violent revolution. our constitution doesn't give the right for a person to take up armed struggle in order to seek the truth, thus no legal basis in the first place. no need to explain further.

(5) "ang CHR? its a gov't agency thats saying "hey! abuso na yan at mali na ang palakad." thats how simple it is."---another oversimplification

(6) "no army official would even dare to admit that they pulled the trigger on a farmers head."---an appeal to prejudice

those are arguments that, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid. they're appeals to emotion, contrasted to appeals to intellect...

You're not stating any arguments in here... instead you are making YOUR OWN Judgement as to what kind of statements are these...
It should have been better if you argue his points... state facts to disprove his claim!

[GemWArrioR]

well in ana man jud. if you bliv they are doing so. then go. and its soooooooo classisc that if a person would disagree on what you say is already left leaning or a red? just look at ur statements. mao nakaingon ko na i think u r a uniformed personel. diba?

come on stop kidding urself. even the UN has declared that taas ang violations against sa civilians. dili man generalized. as i said earlier that dili tanan. but tungod sa sytem na gisunod nadamay sila. i think i said due respect to them. because they are still enlightened.

extortion? why gipangayuan ka?

Try reading report about the goodwill of our AFP. Like rescuing, feeding programs, Road Projects......

well in the first place siyempre mao na ang ilang ipagawas. unya ang problema pa is that they even muscle the media to write or cover stories that would favor them. sige 1 point at hand is the "road project (a.ka. farm to market road) in Negros Oriental and connected to this is their poverty alleviation project - tuba-tuba farming?

if you look at it the roads are used for the transportation of the badly needed and late project of the government and AFP w/c is the biodiesel production. Tuba-tuba is very known plant that could really kill people. bisan unsaon man ni siya pagconvert makahilo ra gihapon. unya nganong mao man ni siya ang kinahanglan itanom na masnanginahanglan man ta og palay? diba sige ta angkat og bugas? unya makaon ba sa mga mag-uuma ang tuba-tuba?

its so twisted to say that they are doing these projects for the civilians like me. for the peasants that rachelle so loved. its so twisted if you really think about it. diba?

unya ingon pa lagi sa una pa. na dili mop apply sa mga uniformed people ang paggamit sa human rights claims. kasi in the first place they are elements of the state. second, they are paid to protect the interest of the government and kill civilians if ordered. remember what happened during the Mendiola Massacre wherein farmers were just marching in protest of cory aquino were killed. then head of the unit and now mayor of Manila Alfredo Lim even admitted of his worng doing and that he was just following orders. he ordered to open fire even if the farmers were unarmed and doing only their consitutional right.

so tell me where is the goodwill? is this just another sham? another propaganda just to say that limpyo sila. come on... people are fed up with this.

Tell me also is there any good will to your CPP-NPA also? i admit that AFP also makes mistakes, but not all AFP are like that.

[cottonmouth]

Anybody who encourages rebellion (armed or not) is already in violation with the constitution and should be charged with treason. They shall be crushed and never will be allowed to see daylight again.

Long live the Philippines.

[radiostar]

Anybody who encourages rebellion (armed or not) is already in violation with the constitution and should be charged with treason. They shall be crushed and never will be allowed to see daylight again.

Long live the Philippines.

si meaning i should be crushed and never see daylight again? asa naman ang demokrasya na pirme nimo giyawyaw sir? or ni gawas lang jud ang pagka tuta nimo?

[aztina888]

Anybody who encourages rebellion (armed or not) is already in violation with the constitution and should be charged with treason. They shall be crushed and never will be allowed to see daylight again.

Long live the Philippines.

@radiostar..

apil d.i ni sa demokrasya? so if thats the case we can all just get a gun and shoot anybody, then shout its a free country. ay duh brad. sabta sad na oie.. klaro ana...

[radiostar]

brad sabta pud na kung walay rebellion dile ma ing-ani ang pinas... nya mo ingon mo na lahi og sauna og karon? then tell me the difference unsa ang sauna og karon ang ma sabtan pud dile pud bobo analysis

[Jerry Michael]

It seems to me that U guys have veered away from the main topic. Although, I still can relate to its parallelism.

Isang Pagsubok sa Pagsukat ng Kabayanihan ni Rachelle Mae Palang
PUBLISHED ON October 4, 2008 AT 6:24 PM
*1986-2008*
NI E. SAN JUAN, JR.
Isang Pagsubok sa Pagsukat ng Kabayanihan ni Rachelle Mae Palang – Bulatlat

Dalawampu’t dalawang taong tinipon ang lakas at binigkis ang diwa
Dalawampu’t dalawang bigwas sa nguso ng imperyalismo
Dalawampu’t dalawang bira sa ngipin ng berdugong militar
Dalawampu’t dalawang dagok sa kilabot ng teroristang Estado
Dalawampu’t dalawang hampas sa kuko ng burokrata-kapitalistang alipuris
Dalawampu’t dalawang suntok sa sikmura ng sakim na komprador
Dalawampu’t dalawang buntal sa pusod ng panginoong may-lupa
Dalawampu’t dalawang palo sa puwit ng pasistang Arroyo
Dalawampu’t dalawang igkas at bitiw ng walang-takdang kabayanihan
Dalawampu’t tatlong…. dalawampu’t siyam….Siyaman…..Ikaw naman….

[rob123]

It seems to me that U guys have veered away from the main topic. Although, I still can relate to its parallelism.

Isang Pagsubok sa Pagsukat ng Kabayanihan ni Rachelle Mae Palang
PUBLISHED ON October 4, 2008 AT 6:24 PM
*1986-2008*
NI E. SAN JUAN, JR.
Isang Pagsubok sa Pagsukat ng Kabayanihan ni Rachelle Mae Palang – Bulatlat

Dalawampu’t dalawang taong tinipon ang lakas at binigkis ang diwa
Dalawampu’t dalawang bigwas sa nguso ng imperyalismo
Dalawampu’t dalawang bira sa ngipin ng berdugong militar
Dalawampu’t dalawang dagok sa kilabot ng teroristang Estado
Dalawampu’t dalawang hampas sa kuko ng burokrata-kapitalistang alipuris
Dalawampu’t dalawang suntok sa sikmura ng sakim na komprador
Dalawampu’t dalawang buntal sa pusod ng panginoong may-lupa
Dalawampu’t dalawang palo sa puwit ng pasistang Arroyo
Dalawampu’t dalawang igkas at bitiw ng walang-takdang kabayanihan
Dalawampu’t tatlong…. dalawampu’t siyam….Siyaman…..Ikaw naman….

unsa man ni emo g sulti wa ko kasabot oi? i translate ug binisaya b aron ato masabtan !!!

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