Cebu Velez College student killed in clash between Army and rebels

[bazarov]

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Butcher? Just because he is doing his job?

So it's his part of his responsibility to butcher? Well said!

As the Melo Report said: “some elements and personalities in the armed forces, in particular General (Jovito) Palparan, as responsible for an undetermined number of killings, by allowing, tolerating, and even encouraging the killings."

Palparan “admits having uttered statements that may have encouraged the said killings. He also obviously condones these killings, by failing to properly investigate the possibility that his men may have been behind them.”

“He mentions that if his men kill civilians suspected of NPA connections, ‘it is their call,’ obviously meaning that it is up to them to do so. This gives the impression that he may not order the killings, but neither will he order his men to desist from doing so.”

Read the entire report here. It will definitely be a help to you. :o

[bazarov]

"The CEGP condemns in strongest terms accusations and insinuations by the AFP that Mae-Mae was armed and a combatant. She was in Negros in her capacity as a registered nurse and circumstances surrounding her brutal killing should be independently investigated."---Official statement of Vijae Aquisola, National President, CEGP

If you really read my earlier rejoinder carefully, you would notice that I did quote Aquisola's statement. Did Aquisola deny she was NPA? No. What Aquisola vehemently denied were the accusations that Palang was "armed" and "combatant." The issue of her membership is again tiptoed over. After all, not all NPA members are armed or combatants (what with their lack of firearms and all. Why give it to a newbie?). Palang, the statement added, "was in Negros in her capacity as a registered nurse and circumstances surrounding her brutal killing should be independently investigated."

malicious attempt, red-tagging and nasty insinuations? now that Rachelle is confirmed an NPA member and at the same time a Vice president of CEGP?

Not at the same time. Palang, reported one of the many news articles I read last month, resigned as Vice President for Visayas earlier this year. So you see, technically, these "leftist personalities" never denied it.

[bazarov]

And syaro naman sab wa kahibalo ang iyang colleagues sa CEGP ani. Ilara ko tits!

Anyway, I am from Luzon and would like to clarify what you mean by this?

[jiro]

And you think the victims of human rights violations, kidnapping, extortion, and murder committed by the Armed Forces of the Philippines do not think the same of the government? It's not as simple as that, my dear.

(^_^)v para sa ila - the government is the real terrorist. para nato sila ang terrorist.

[bazarov]

(^_^)v para sa ila - the government is the real terrorist. para nato sila ang terrorist.

Well, we all tend to see the world in black and white.

[bazarov]

can you give any evidences or links that you are accusing AFP. Let me remind you, once an AFP Soldier is killed in a battlefield, lubong lang diretso, pero if A NPA TERRORIST or REBEL is killed, daghan istorya, porke gi salvage, gi kidnap, torture.

Yes, this is very sad.

ALL of them are baseless, satsat lang walang ebidensiya. Tapos magkaso na sa CHR, tapos itong mga taga CHR one sided lang, kasuhan lang ang mga AFP.

But this statement is also terribly misinformed. No less than the United Nations Human Rights Council has castigated the military for deliberately targeting and systematically hunting down leaders of leftist organizations, resulting to hundreds of cases of extrajudicial killings in the country since Arroyo's assumption to power.

You can read the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial executions' report here.

[GemWArrioR]

I heard them on News, but it has no sufficient evidence that is the work of the AFP or the Arroyo Government, i am no leftist or rightist. I also hate the government for doing nothing over this problem. They just make promises.

[giddyboy]

If you really read my earlier rejoinder carefully, you would notice that I did quote Aquisola's statement. Did Aquisola deny she was NPA? No. What Aquisola vehemently denied were the accusations that Palang was "armed" and "combatant." The issue of her membership is again tiptoed over. After all, not all NPA members are armed or combatants (what with their lack of firearms and all. Why give it to a newbie?). Palang, the statement added, "was in Negros in her capacity as a registered nurse and circumstances surrounding her brutal killing should be independently investigated."

i know, but let me make my point.

if u r a writer & a president of a controversial group like CEGP, u will always make sure that u won't regret ur statements later. op kors, Aquisola was playing it safe by not mentioning the word "NPA" but "armed & combatant" instead. such a shrewd maneuverings of words...

"She was in Negros in her capacity as a registered nurse...", per Aquisola, but we now know that she wasn't there in her capacity as a registered nurse but the capacity as a NPA member instead.

let's assume that Aquisola only knew Mae was into a medical mission & nothing more. But the fact that her parents & relatives knew already about it couldn't discount the BIG POSSIBILITY that her close friends knew too including Aquisola. as i've said before, that's one of my big "pangagpas" or doubt on Aquisola's knowledge about Mae. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?

and even so, how did Aquisola know if Rachelle was really not armed huh? in fact, her comrade Dom Pantaleon & other fighters confirmed she was a fighter named Ka Hannah...A FIGHTER.

didn't u wonder why she was hurriedly taken (if im not mistaken, by Karapatan) & cremated even before the authorities could make an autopsy & a paraffin test on her?

AND even w/o a firearm, if Rachelle is spotted by the military in the company of those having arms, dili diay cla angay mo engage? unsa sniperon ra ang kad2 gadala ug armas? unsa salida? di pa bya ana ta ka hi-tech...LOL

if it's a surprise attack, that's just what it is. A surprise attack. di nata molalis ana ky it's always part of the military/guerilla tactics & virtues. meaning, sa mka una lang.

and again, if the military was ambushed by NPA, nobody seems to cry foul. and if NPA na ang ma ambush, lahi na nga istorya?!?

Not at the same time. Palang, reported one of the many news articles I read last month, resigned as Vice President for Visayas earlier this year. So you see, technically, these "leftist personalities" never denied it.

yeah, i was mistaken. she indeed resigned from CEGP to take up the nursing board. technically, yes, her resignation would not link her NPA membership anymore to CEGP. But let's take note that she was already a NPA member while she was the VP. her parents even confirmed this.

this brings again to the issue of DENIAL POLICY. There is in no way an armed struggle makes it legal, that's why.

Let's note as a testimonial that NPA fighters confirmed that "Mae together w/ 2 fighters were "martyred" at around 1 p.m. of Aug. 18 in a battle with Army and Cafgu elements who raided their makeshift position. The three were conducting "political work" in the Dauin-Zamboanguita border barangays."

if u r a fighter in a clearing verifying the presence of 'strange-looking' footprints, what do u bring? libro? LOL

and again, Dom Pantaleon was also careful w/ his words not to mention "armed" in his statements.

and what i mean with "ilara ko tits" in english is "i'm not stupid"...

[junmar4]

So it's his part of his responsibility to butcher? Well said!

As the Melo Report said: “some elements and personalities in the armed forces, in particular General (Jovito) Palparan, as responsible for an undetermined number of killings, by allowing, tolerating, and even encouraging the killings."

Palparan “admits having uttered statements that may have encouraged the said killings. He also obviously condones these killings, by failing to properly investigate the possibility that his men may have been behind them.”

“He mentions that if his men kill civilians suspected of NPA connections, ‘it is their call,’ obviously meaning that it is up to them to do so. This gives the impression that he may not order the killings, but neither will he order his men to desist from doing so.”

Read the entire report here. It will definitely be a help to you. :o

Mao ba noy? Aw ikiha si palaparan.
So if ang military makadali ug NPA, report dayon then CHR dayon. Unya wa na lang kwenta inyong mga mass graves?

[giddyboy]

You can read the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial executions' report here.

ALL THIS REPORT WON'T FIT RACHELLE MAE'S CASE...she wasn't killed extra-judicially...